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tiberiusiv: why would i move
to a place
that charges me 23%
to buy products?
tiberiusiv: you still didnt
tell me any incentive
that romania offers
mircea_popescu: listen,
there's plenty of rich people. everybody knows.
mircea_popescu: it's funny, cause i'm over here and you're over
there.
tiberiusiv: theres a reason romanians have a bad reputation
throughout
the EU
tiberiusiv: listen youd need
to hire an army of security personal in romania
mircea_popescu: better off move
to somewhere where
the idiots are still kept at a low roar by
the
traditional means of stepping on head.
tiberiusiv: the ultra rich dont mingle with
the commoners lol
tiberiusiv: thats why
they all live in guarded and secluded areas
tiberiusiv: micrea: romanian government is
too poor
to run an effective welfare state
mircea_popescu: romanian guy making ~500 usd a month is going out and fixing
the park benches in his spare
time with his own
tools.
mod6: tiberiusiv: maybe
the bahamas was a bad example. im not rich enough
to know better really.
tiberiusiv: dividend income is still withheld from 99% of countries by up
to 30%
mircea_popescu: let me put it in
the following perspective : american guy making 1300 usd a month (mostly govt aid, he doesn't work for it) is sitting around listening
to angry music and glaring at passerbys because "he's been cheated".
tiberiusiv: mod6: renouncing your citizenship
to sit in
the bahmas only makes sense if 100% of your income comes from capital gains
dub: an interesting
thing about americans is how few of
them
travel
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv
the problem with
the us is
that it contains ~200mn unskilled, hungry, entitled doods.
mod6: tiberiusiv:
there are lots of super rich people here who renounce
their citizenship and leave for a
tax-haven like
the bahamas or whatever.
Namworld: tiberius has hard set views about how people lives in various place of
the world and living costs.
mircea_popescu: or else all
the ones i know dropping it since 2005 or so are silly.
tiberiusiv: mircea:
tell me what
the ultra rich is gaining leaving
the US?
mircea_popescu: on
the other hand you impugn imaginary problems with romania on
the grounds
that it's not all level
mircea_popescu: on one hand you're
telling me about
these elusive cali estates (0.001% of us)
tiberiusiv: mircea: an ultra rich american has no real incentive
to leave
the US
tiberiusiv: the rest of
the place has high levels of poverty
tiberiusiv: you can safely drive around a ferrari in 70% of
the US
mircea_popescu: if you
think a gated off island is a great way
to live i guess we see
things
too differently
to discuss
this productively.
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv yes,
they're cheaper inasmuch as
they're made in jersey, and
thus only german by name.
mircea_popescu: you're approaching
the problems of infrastructure as if you're a salaried peon.
tiberiusiv: you realize german cars are cheaper in
the US
then in germany?
tiberiusiv: that means nothing, romania doesnt even have a developed
transport network
to move goods around
mircea_popescu: to get a good car in
the us you have
to ship it from yurp
dub: this may shock you, but I only have one
television
tiberiusiv: consumer goods are very expensive in RO compared
to US
smickles: given
the chance
to live in shit conditions on mars, i would do it
tiberiusiv: romania also has a high sales
tax and income
tax
tiberiusiv: US has large diversity
to pick from and same language
jcpham: i want
to die on mars secretly
tiberiusiv: its dangerous
to be a wealthy none native
mod6: well, who cares, maybe it wont be if
they adopt btc
tiberiusiv: second off, where would a wealthy american really leave
too?
dub: american beer is
terrible
mod6: well, im not in
the category. im in
the "unwashed masses" category, as mp calls it.
tiberiusiv: they have
to renounce citizenship and pay an exit
tax
tiberiusiv: leaving
the US makes no sense for wealthy
dub: mainly due
to death
tax
mod6: now
they just rape you over and over
mod6: usa used
to be like
that
Namworld: I
think Russia beats Canada, yeah
mod6: i
thought it was London
tiberiusiv: you realize canada is like
the financial crime center of
the world
mircea_popescu: but by now sealed deal. so probably
the
top 5 or
top 10 stand
to gain nicely.
tiberiusiv: mircea: canadian regulators
tend
to be 40 years behind anything
mircea_popescu: back when
they were just bleeding market share it seemed like it's
temporary
mircea_popescu: that'll have
to be verified in practice before i
take it
too seriously.
tiberiusiv: mircea:
there are no capital limits in canada
Namworld: With discounts for very large volumes, it works down
to as low as 0.5% but you have
to
trade 2500+ within
the last 120 days
mircea_popescu: tiberiusiv in fairness,
that's prolly because
they're not much used so
they don't opverrun
their limits
tiberiusiv: namworld: cavirtex fees are comparable
to anywhere else
Namworld: I use cavirtex
to buy/cash out BTC as needed.
Namworld: A little bit. It's from my country so... I
though I could support a bit. Not so many canadian bitcoiners yet. But fees on cavirtex are high.
tiberiusiv: mircea: alot of idiot bitcoiners are dropping out from missallocating
their BTCs
mircea_popescu: shame on Namworld
trolling us with finance
talk in
this chan
dub: tiberiusiv:
that is not important
tiberiusiv: dub first off most people never agree
to a law
mircea_popescu: there's never going
to be a "proper" font of rights, and consequently any statement as
to
their origin is pretty much
the same
thing.