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Framedragger: as a sworn lisper (well presumably) trinque, what do you make of haskell, out of curiosity?
trinque: well, python's a shitty language.
Framedragger: presumably said website would have the raw data as a module or somesuch
Framedragger: wonder what tmsr thinks of ipython notebooks. basically you go to website and are presented with python interpreter, and a ready-made list of commands for graphing, doing stats etc. thinking of doing one of these for some initial ssh keyset analysis. nothing too serious at all ☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Also how does one make a valve with just a threader?
asciilifeform: and certainly not a mill.
asciilifeform: lengths of pipe, as per BingoBoingo, is one likely item, but this pointedly does not require a whole lathe
asciilifeform: lel u.s. navy, 'During the past six months, our surveyors have uncovered a number of submarines not complying with a requirement for a chip shield on the lathe or drill press. To aid the fleet in a decision process for procuring a solution, I found three of numerous possible companies which supply equipment...'
asciilifeform: http://www.gettyimages.com/pictures/an-image-of-a-metal-lathe-on-the-captured-german-u505-news-photo-181424737 << germany, also.
asciilifeform: where there is ample space to swing a torch
BingoBoingo: AHA, but Orlov makes a point of NOT using that.
asciilifeform: why the fuck would you want rigid pipes on a boat.
BingoBoingo: Anyways Orlov's plumbing problem is that when making the boat it should have been a primary rather than secondary consideration. Also wtf, hoses? Rigid copper seems like it would be much better for that application if boar design allowed for sanely routing pipes.
BingoBoingo: I kinda though his formula was most text on blog, book offers a bit of extra.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i just had a crate of lafonde b00kz come in. these have got to be the worst-formatted and least dense printed matter i have ever purchased.
pete_dushenski: "In Austin, Minnesota, another Kmart was turned into offices for Hormel, as well as a giant Spam Museum." << lol!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: walls are kinda thin and flimsy for that purpose. the orcs with 'strong retard' muscle will bust through those barriers like a steam train through a sheet of tin foil.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 12:16 thestringpuller: Also they are nailing the doors shut on Ether tomorrow until "clear winner": "As a Poloniex customer, you do not need to do anything. The migration will occur automatically, and your full balance of Ethereum will be transferred to the winning chain. Keep in mind that as we near the fork, we will be temporarily disabling deposits and withdrawals in preparation for the migration process. Trading will continue
asciilifeform: a la 'superdome'
asciilifeform: anyway folks who run idiot traps (which is what this is) are a necessary part of ecosystem
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 16:21 asciilifeform: i would happily live in a truck if the truck could be teleported into a parallel space with 0 people by push of a button.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505672 << submarine/boat can't promise this anymore. Niantic will put a poke-a-man stop near your nowhere and orcs follow. ☝︎
pete_dushenski: if it's only once or twice a month, a guess it's not that steep. and probably no more than a dinner for two at iron chef's resto in manhattan...
mats: dunno that you can buy an hour's stay in a shoebox for $800 in nyc
pete_dushenski: "“I am looking to weed out police and crazies,” she said. She estimates that only one in four potential customers ultimately passes. Those who do win some time with a professional escort/dominatrix, but it comes at a hefty price: Each hour can cost up to $800, and Rita’s cut is 30%." << steep! ☟︎
pete_dushenski: m your work email, and require a scan of either your passport or driver’s license. And you will comply." << y u no pgp rita ?
pete_dushenski: "If you work at Goldman Sachs in New York City and you want to tie up a woman and then have sex with her, there’s a good chance you’ll first have to speak to Rita. She’ll insist on calling your office, speaking to the switchboard operator, and being patched through to your desk. Then she will want to check out your profile on the company website and LinkedIn. She’ll demand you send her message fro
mats: seems to me manufacturers are taking a generous interpretation to this in order to accelerate obsolescence
asciilifeform: (baofeng is a short-range VOICE radio, though, and hence politically inconsequential.)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:52 trinque: if you've reached the point where the world has beaten you back to being willing to live in a shipping container, why live?
ben_vulpes: when the problem domains are simple, the solution proposed appears to work. in reality, as *tard mgmt demands more features, flexibility, reports, etc, the complexity of maintaining and extending under the frameworkreich becomes more and more costly, a thing not necessarily apparent to anyone who hasn't suffered the saga or who doesn't think in terms of complexity minimization from the get-go.
phf: asciilifeform: it's a totally speculative exploration of north african pirate city states during the age of exploration http://hermetic.com/bey/pirate-utopias/ it might appeal to your romantic nature ☟︎☟︎
shinohai: http://animatedviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/sea202002.jpg <<< or you can make a sealab
asciilifeform: trinque: a city is, by definition, what i'd like to avoid.
asciilifeform: a city is quite the opposite of subj, no ?
phf: i'd live on a sub, if it had those 1970s stage set rooms with giant windows through which you can observe underwater marine life, but which you can also close if you're being attacked by the establishment ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:52 trinque: if you've reached the point where the world has beaten you back to being willing to live in a shipping container, why live?
trinque: seems like if you're wiling to go about 7-10kts there are a few
asciilifeform: how big of a crew does mats's house have ?
asciilifeform: mats: i never determined a hard minimum. but will note that most of the folk on a ww2 sub did things that would be mechanical/reasonably automatic today.
mats: asciilifeform: I read the thread but didn't see a number, what did you arrive at?
mats: it's a fleeting, intimate moment with a stranger, in my case
mircea_popescu: course, it's always my womenz that warmed it, might be a factor.
mats: like sitting on a freshly warm toilet seat, with less ick factor
asciilifeform: mats: in last thread, we did 'how much of a crew is needed with modern mechanisms'
mircea_popescu: 365 days of a gallon each. coupla tons.
asciilifeform: i am not a tall fella but i did not fit in the cot in that museum-sub (it was largely unguarded and you could play with the contents)
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't drink that. not for a year.
mircea_popescu: those things are no smaller than X size for a reason.
mircea_popescu: your sail will power a seawater processing plant now ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose you could not wash for an entire year, a la rms...
mircea_popescu: fresh water, at a gallon a day per head, means if you're actually alone a deux, 4 tons just that.
mircea_popescu: suddenly your item is not a mere boat but a fucking battleship.
mircea_popescu: well, figure out what you eat in a year ; plus all the things you might want but won't eventually eat.
asciilifeform: for a year.
asciilifeform: ergo it is simply a small flat that happens to - temporarily - float. not a machine for surviving 2000km from nearest man.
mircea_popescu: it pointedly does everything you openly admit you want ; and fails to do all the things you want but disawov, such as "it should be a grownup for me".
asciilifeform: incidentally i've learned that many folks in american east coast live in boats, but do it 100% in the marina. as a kind of enforced-whiteness trailer park.
asciilifeform: at any rate, a machine-for-being-comfortably-poor that costs 2mil, if it were to exist, would be a solid answer to my equation. but the diesel pleasure boat is pointedly not it.
asciilifeform: you wouldn't FIRE a 17th c. musket.
mircea_popescu: actually he bought a jet not a mig ; it was a few hundred not mil ; and it's not a terribru investment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is like that fella ( mthreat ?) who bought a mig
mircea_popescu: work the stoicks a summer, buy boat.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, in common terms the problem is solved : 4 room floating apt can be had used in good condition for a coupla mil.
asciilifeform: picture mircea_popescu were asked to design a bridge. 'just part 50% of the moon's mass right ~here~...'
mircea_popescu: but the % varies - at the heyday of the empire, during trajan, burebista's 200+ tons of gold were not enough ; centuries later, a few % of that sufficed for an entire dynasty of paleologai
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505780 <<< the answer is also obvious enough. a PERCENTAGE of the total money calculated on the basis of integration. these days, 50%, hence the bitcoin mining process. ☝︎
trinque: I suspect people who can't find *anyone* to tolerate of a sort of gabriel_laddelism, i.e. if I stay up for 48hrs on tab cola I can rewrite gentoo portage fastrrrr
asciilifeform: iirc he was a social butterfly, just a somewhat loose cannon while at it
mircea_popescu: brache was, famously, so incapable of social intercourse he couldn't leave a banquet and died of a busted bladder.
mircea_popescu: depends tho, some parts of science are nonconversational. it's a mixed bag.
trinque: guy in a monastery still writes letters
mircea_popescu: (1469 captain general of venetian navy, no naval experience, guy being a lawyer and orator at papal court. chose to pretend like he knew his shit, cost venice its head eventually.)
trinque: mircea_popescu: science is still a matter of conversation with others
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:54 phf: trinque: it's techno nomad, it's a thing. microship guy doesn't really try to solve same problem as orlol, it's all different people with personal interests and agendas that don't necessarily compose into a single stereotype
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505527 << depends how high up you scale. to me they do - as stated, people with large inheritance trying to pretend. a sort of niccolo da canal, say. ☝︎
asciilifeform: many folks dun even lift a finger to publish the goodz.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:52 trinque: this guy's got a lab, what, to continue taking part in the same world he can't stand?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:51 phf: and the problem he was trying to solve is a lot closer to what you want to achieve, i.e. put lab on water, rather than recreate the lifestyle of late 6th century pirate nomads or whatever
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505518 << strangely enough, none of the kids playing history (with the abundance their forefathers so imprudently assured them) realise that "hey, things are linked, a boat like this means i gotta sleep with a schmitar under pillow!" ☝︎
asciilifeform: but it makes generous use of everett's device. outside of a few 'sexy' cases, we don't get to hear from the dead armies.
mircea_popescu: you know, sultan ordered "an army as strong as the one which took constantinople" be assembled to deal with this guy once and for all. after not doing so well for a long time eventually cornered him against a mountain, where vlad told his men that neither capture nor death of famine beign fitting of warriors, how about we go into their camp and fucking rape them.
asciilifeform: ( http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sphere.htm is all i could find, but the meat of the discussion was in a now-lost usenet post... )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> possibly answer is, be small king. far away <<< this is quite lulzy, you know. "i want a center of a circle that's squarer and closer to the margin"
mircea_popescu: that's a different thing. all non-problems are non-psychogenic.
mircea_popescu: whenever you end up with a problem which has no real roots, you therefore have a problem which... has no real roots.
asciilifeform: so it is not clear that 'be a great king' is optimal solution to 'be left alone'
asciilifeform: thing is a sail. wind pushes it off course, and also down (crash.) and fuel is exhausted. can try to counter this by building larger engines, but then need bigger lifting envelope, and you get... moar sail.
asciilifeform: if the problem is posed as 'can i build a castle in which i can successfully stow a stolen princess every time', then yes, answer is 'be powerful'
mircea_popescu: a change from, "who the fuck does this priam think he is"
asciilifeform: 'be powerful' is not an answer, it is an answer to a different problem.
mircea_popescu: and understand - this is the fundamental boyishness here. "father, how should i be a powerful lord ?" "have many friends" "i'll just build a strong castle"
asciilifeform: yes, if you want to live like a bear, in a hole, it can even be done in a u.s. national park. people have.
asciilifeform: if you run a genset near that tomb, quite likely someone will take an interest at some point, no ?
mircea_popescu: there's tons of these. you could go live in a fucking tomb and probably die of natural causes before they'd even find out.
asciilifeform: incidentally monasteries are a weaker, land-based special case of the thing i am interested in.
asciilifeform: i suppose it would not be high quality monastery if we had a way to know...
asciilifeform owns a map...
mircea_popescu: it sits atop a desert.
mircea_popescu: i say this on the basis of actual experience, not as a matter of "i imagine boats sometime when i'm frustrated"