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MJR_III: mircea_popescu: so
there is unblockable ddos?
MJR_III: mircea_popescu: so if its
the router...if it just drops all but a certain subset of
traffic, can it still be overloaded?
MJR_III: also...roman
told me
that he could handle 2k orders per second
taub: okay mpex is
the pinnacle, but for btcusd
MJR_III: wish
there was a better order interface
taub: yea, its
the least worst exchange i've seen
MJR_III: bitfloor has
the best response
time i
think
taub: bitfinex would work better if
they would deploy on a more solid exchange
mircea_popescu: i dunno who was asking me about ddos protection services and i said
they all have
their issues
MJR_III: i
think we bounce between 92 and 88
taub: I'm still bearish short
term,
this retracement isn't over
taub: what do you guys
think? up/down?
MJR_III: and i
think you would be blocking
their expensive attack with a cheap shield
MJR_III: you could bring it up when
the attack starts
jurov: thre's maybe hope
they are onyl counting legit
traffic
that ges
through
MJR_III: 10
terabytes?
that has got
to cost quite a bit
jurov: yes we were
talink about
that, but after experimenting i realized hiding
these cheap vpses behind loadbalancer is
the way
to go
MJR_III: what is
the cost of a ddos of
that magnitude?
jurov: mircea_popescu cuz you didn't use amazon loadbalancer... granted, with 10TB
traffic it would get a bit expensive :)
mircea_popescu: some ninny actually
took
the
time
to blow
them up one at a
time
jurov: for almost
the same price, yes
jurov: Troic, on amazon you can have
the instances on like 10 diff places
Troic: 'bunch of spot instances or cheap vpses' all on same router for dos
to
target
MJR_III: i guess it would be similar
to
the one
time password
that gribble does
MJR_III: and it changes every 20 seconds according
to a pattern
that only you can
tell]
Troic: pool of IPs on different AS,
that is expensive, at least you can shut
the account down :)
jurov: as you issued
the yubikey
jurov: yubikey creates a pseudorandom string and you know what
the strign is going
to be, no?
MJR_III: and yes, a pool of ips, but
that shouldn't be
that hard
MJR_III: how would he get
the
token?
Troic: nothing
to stop
the dosser getting
the ip, well 30btc, unless each user has a differnt ip/isp
MJR_III: jurov yeah
that is what i was
thinking
mircea_popescu: <pgp> often
they float <10% of
there shares and often aren't
that liquid <<< /me grins
mircea_popescu: ppcoin sounds more like "what does
this button do"
than anything.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> but we also need someone
to do it properly << i'm with him
MJR_III: i still
think
that you could use
the yubikey method
jurov: but you still need
to expose some stable anchor where users authenticate
MJR_III: thats what you were
telling me
MJR_III: but since your auth is changing
the same way as
their client
jurov: with some ddos protection
that supports ssl
MJR_III: no,
the port constantly changes
smickles: eventually,
that port would be known
MJR_III: only registered customers could connect cuz
they know what port
to connect on
MJR_III: what if you used
that for port based connection
MJR_III: you know how yubikey or any of
those authenticators work?
smickles: you'd still have
to negotiate
the logon
MJR_III: and
then your
trading session goes across
that
MJR_III: hence you have
to have a valid logon
MJR_III: i'm sure
they could smickles
smickles: i bet
they could direct ddos at any port
MJR_III: i was wondering
though, and maybe mircea_popescu has some experience, but what if you used some sort of system
to break up
the channel of info
smickles: icbit works better
than
this place
MJR_III: lol, only margin
trading platform really
smickles: wow, you picked a winner of a site do
trade on
MJR_III: its mostly for fun on my bitfinex account, i usually just lend out
the money, but interest rates have dropped, so i am actively
trading
the account
to
try and grow it a bit
smickles: MJR_III: what do you want
to
trade?
MJR_III: i can't
trade at all right now, bitfinex is fucked
smickles: i dunno about
that, seems kinda off-handed remarkish
jurov: yea, especially sociopaths are among
the most productive
MJR_III: have we arrived at
this point already?
jurov: sorry
to disrupt your
thought processes
jurov: oh seems
talking
to self mode activated
jurov: and how do you know for example iDiffs i'm selling aren't overvalued
trash?
jurov: yes? what did he
try
to sell you?
jurov: granted, i did convince
them first :)
taub: downpressure is stronger
than ever
MJR_III: guessing his arguments from watching half
the convo
MJR_III: love
that he can still surprise me
MJR_III: cue
talking shit about mircea_popescu
jurov: dude
they are just covered by
tens of
thousands of btc.
jurov: they are most liquid instrument
there is
jurov: and it can get you more if ye weren't inept and bought mpoe options with
these 12k in meantime
jurov: so? you want
to pump and dump and can't?
bgupta: Is
there a relatively conventional futures market in btc?
jurov: i know. but it's useful for me
to
try and explain,
too, even if he isn't listening
MJR_III: he is banking on you getting invested in
trying
to show him
the intelligent way of looking at
things
MJR_III: i know how
tempting it can be
to show someone who is obviuosly wrong how and where
they are wrong...but i couldn't get sucked into
that
trap any more
MJR_III: jurov: he is not interested in your points, he will always change
topics once you have proven him wrong yet again...
jurov: obviously if you aren't even replying
to my point
jurov: what i
told in last 50 lines?
jurov: you obvoisly aren't
trying
to understand what i'm saying :/
jurov: tiberiusiv don't change
the
topic
jurov: how so?
they are printing and loaning it out in hopes some greater fool will come and eat all
the debt
MJR_III: ugh i can't
trade like
this