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jborkl: well,people can not see past tomorrow
ZedsterX: i was sure it would bounce back a bit at the the of the month but no luck
Bugpowdurr: gotta get capital to buy calls dude
DeaDTerra: WTS G.SDICE,GSDPT,G.MPOE,G.BBET, BTCQuick and TU.Silver shares!
ThickAsThieves: can't believe how cheap those idiff futures are! :)
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 7667060.77584 based on data since last change | 8668728.39687 based on data for last three days
gribble: There are currently 25109.349 bitcoins demanded at or over 90.0 USD, worth 2313401.22003 USD in total. | Data vintage: 76.7031 seconds
Bugpowdurr: everytime I have a sad thought like that I imagine being in position 8500 in the gox verification queue, then I get a little happier
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr the puts covered earlier so dunno about that.
mircea_popescu: obviously it was going to get kicked back as soon as it went over 100
Bugpowdurr: how sad a thought
Bugpowdurr: what if today is the top
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.95348, Best ask: 99.98345, Bid-ask spread: 0.02997, Last trade: 99.95348, 24 hour volume: 67981.72491317, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.21329
mircea_popescu: "Obama Proclaims April the Month to Teach Young People ‘How to Budget Responsibly’"
mircea_popescu: course their usual lieing sort of bs suggests they do have eu licenses.
Scrat: Re: ziggap, aethero said 3 days ago in -otc that his HDD crashed
ThickAsThieves: i can buy calls with the 45btc i just made on ltc
mircea_popescu: are currently using some eastern european banks which allows them to skirt it.
mircea_popescu: also for the record : mtgox failed to get registered in europe, got kicked out of france,
mircea_popescu: " you need to discuss with every single state" ya dood, i'm sure every single state is discussing shit with every single bootstrapped project.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 99.75000, Best ask: 100.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.75000, Last trade: 100.50000, 24 hour volume: 66370.06016972, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.11111
thestringpuller: you are the oracle
mircea_popescu: _aeon are you related to ziggap ?
thestringpuller: Bugpowdurr: all your predictions jave come true
mircea_popescu: Apr 01 15:15:32 <mircea_popescu> ;;later tell bugpowder : here's an idea : make hashing processors out of dragonfly brains.
_aeon: conditions, there are a lot of differences between them… It’s a nightmare. That’s one reason why we want Coinlab to do it for us: it’s too much work.”
_aeon: First we need to get everything stabilized with licensing and we are considering creating entities around the world with the correct licensing, which is a lot of work. Sometimes it’s less work, e.g. in Europe where you get a license for one country it’s valid within the EU, but in the US you need to get a license from every single state. It means you need an office in every single state, you need to discuss with every single state
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr your habit of logging in and then dropping makes you lose out.
ChaangNoi: i never invested or even heard of that
mircea_popescu: is this the dead asset deprived was discussing ?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.50000, Best ask: 100.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 100.90000, 24 hour volume: 66370.06016972, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.11111
smickles: oh... it's nyanslug for the lag
ThickAsThieves: but there is certainly a betting platform idea in there somewhere
ThickAsThieves: so give it to me baby
ThickAsThieves: in the end i'm just asking for a way to spend more on mpex :)
splnkr: so, we finally broke 100….anyone win any bets on that one?
mircea_popescu: anyway, all that aside, the idiff futures are largely an experimental asset, so
jurov: i'd then have to list multiple securities, with different collaterals
ThickAsThieves: doesnt have to be total free for all
ThickAsThieves: you could limit the parameters of what was custom
smickles: i wake up to nyancat and the joker on bitcoinity
jurov: but even i don't offer such customizability "cover up to whatever you want"
ThickAsThieves: write it for sale at any price, but you must be able to cover a minimum % on top iof it
ThickAsThieves: just making them entrely custom
ThickAsThieves: if yo arent willing to use outside data, arent willing to settle more often, arent willing to make factor more dynamic, then that rules out my current ideas but one
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.01000, Best ask: 100.99900, Bid-ask spread: 0.98900, Last trade: 100.99900, 24 hour volume: 66370.06016972, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.11111
mircea_popescu: not to mention we don't even know how many exactly.
mircea_popescu: that'd be incredibly short term
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 100.10001, Best ask: 101.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.89999, Last trade: 100.10001, 24 hour volume: 65241.37945590, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 105.99000, 24 hour vwap: 97.05058
gribble: There are currently 11527.345 bitcoins offered at or under 115.0 USD, worth 1246988.35026 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0010 seconds
ThickAsThieves: i want a formula that is more representative of trend
mircea_popescu: this is liable to be correct for as long as mining is still immature obviously.
mircea_popescu: jurov i think his presumption is that diff can not go down
jurov: ThickAsThieves, that ould make sense only if there was some discernible trend
mircea_popescu: and that may be a good idea, but won't really be worth discussing for about another year
mircea_popescu: i mean i could use all 4 (barring the fact that currenlty we only have 1 anyway)
ThickAsThieves: use two settlements as data points
mircea_popescu: yes, but is it a factor for volatility from one settlement to the next.
mircea_popescu: what's the 2.9x ?
ThickAsThieves: add a factor for volatility from one settlement to the next?
ThickAsThieves: rather than just lose money
ThickAsThieves: i wanna be able to lose money and make moneyt
ThickAsThieves: so they are desirable at all
mircea_popescu: that's fine, but it seems to me like a case of "you should improve your exchange so everybody makes money on all trades"
ThickAsThieves: so you are saying there is absolutely no room for improvement?
mircea_popescu: what did you think ?
mircea_popescu: ya, see, this doesn't work as an approach. i mean it's prolly fine in middle school or w/e, but i'm not 14.
ThickAsThieves: and do better than me
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you still haven't solidified your idea into something we can discuss tho.
ThickAsThieves: but they would indeed need more than a factor change
ThickAsThieves: no data feed needed to fix diff futures
mircea_popescu: but i'm pretty darned certain will save everyone a shitton of sweat, blood and tears in five years.
mircea_popescu: or in other words : my insistence in implementing correct designs or nothing at all, and decentralisations such as these may make me look like an idiot today
mircea_popescu: it's very important to have sepparate data feeds and trading,
mircea_popescu: while significant for a trading place, are NOT to be solved by the trading place itself.
mircea_popescu: perhaps best to ask him, buit in general speaking the problems of access to market data
mircea_popescu: there's sipa's thing no ?
jurov: they have something to bootfstrap from. but for bitcoin best i can find is some google spreadsheet of past difficulty values
mircea_popescu: i admit the 2.9x is just some number i took out of my ass.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 103.47500, Best ask: 103.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02500, Last trade: 103.50000, 24 hour volume: 60517.76520989, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 104.00000, 24 hour vwap: 96.47673
jurov: it occurs to me you want to skip mass market completely and soar directly into high finance
mircea_popescu: we'll have to take them in slowly and selectively.
mircea_popescu: understand : the general public is very dangeours (chiefly to itself) in any sort of functionuing marketplace.
jurov: okay, maybe thare is a big difference, i don't know
mircea_popescu: what sense does that make
mircea_popescu: i read this and what i see is "i couldn't make people living in queens understand what the schmier is with stock options. i'm sure high powered executives would bne the same"
ThickAsThieves: chaang, the walls are being torn to bits!
ChaangNoi: lol ltc not going to stop
pizzaman1337: love this price action
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 103.90000, Best ask: 104.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 103.90000, 24 hour volume: 60517.76520989, 24 hour low: 91.00000, 24 hour high: 104.00000, 24 hour vwap: 96.47673
jurov: but it don't think bankers would be much different even if i could reach them
mircea_popescu: who are these people ?
jurov: i know it's unfair judgement, but i just aren;t apt enough to explain past that point
jurov: "what? so all there is is option speculation, betting site and casino?"
jurov: or even if they can get past her
jurov: then they find out about MPOE-PR :)
jurov: am asked to explain who is this mircea popescu again, i handwave it
jurov: dig some links deep from trilema, praying they don't hit the paywall
mircea_popescu: you go to finance conferences ?!
jurov: as as a someone who tried to "evangelize" MPEx i think i know why