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mircea_popescu: in
the case of bitbet it is outright dangerous, so not worth it.
mircea_popescu: and re
the late bets : it is in general not nice
to include
txs with no fees. it is callous, miners work at
this, buitcoin needs
the fees
to survive.
mircea_popescu: anyway, one measure we're
taking is having a special mod
tag on
the comments so
that mod can clarify how
they'll judge statements if need be.
jborkl: nice profits, very good for
the second month?
therusytrombone: 3) have your judge/moderator friend
tell you how he'll rule
mircea_popescu: and
this seems
the perfect
time
to announce
the shocker of march results of bitbet. here goes :
jborkl: still looking , but I am seeing a bunch not on
the blockchain list
mircea_popescu: this is your refutation. now, whether you
take it in or ingore it is up
to you, but it stands.
jborkl: i
think smickles is right and blockchain info is reporting 500 max
mircea_popescu: therusytrombone one of
the batches you count was not supposed
to start delivery until after
the bet closes.
mod6: won some off
the basketball games
this weekend!
mircea_popescu: something's not a scam because it works otherwise
than you
think it should.
therusytrombone: the fact
that
the creator of
the statement even admitted
that part of it got left out
mircea_popescu: if
the bet doesn't make it before bet is closed
then it's a donation.
podizzle: or if
the bet isnt made by closed
podizzle: mircea_popescu so if
the bet isnt made by resolved
then it will be a refund?
therusytrombone: at
the
time
the statement was created,
they had
two preorder batches in
mircea_popescu: therusytrombone im sure avalon said something on
the forum about a future batch
to be delivered in 2014
podizzle: oh damn but i will be put in at
the weight it was when i sent or when i clicked
therusytrombone: lol how could you ever read
that statement and not
think it means all of
the preorders
they have in at
the
time
mircea_popescu: a few cents is a nice gesture
to support
the entire network.
mircea_popescu: 0.0005 works for most people. mpex includes 0.001 on al
txs
podizzle: mircea_popescu how much is
the fee
smickles: jborkl: no,
the rest is AMD, it's how
they are still in business
therusytrombone: people write crazy vague statements and expect people
to infer what
they meant
mircea_popescu: therusytrombone if you bet on
the losing side i imagine it'd have been a lot more beneficial
to argue
this afore betting.
therusytrombone: it's ok it's just good
to know a site is a scam and not
to use it
podizzle: i made my withdrawal
to bitbet at 12:48pm
jborkl: network hash rate about a month ago was 24th now, 64th - asicminer has only claimed maybe 10
th-
the rest has
to be (in a logical conclusion) = Avalon
mircea_popescu: well ok, perfectly valid phylosophically but how
the fuck will you run a site with it,.
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mircea_popescu: therusytrombone if you
take a strong nominalist view NOTHING is ever definitively provable
smickles: podizzle: we do go off
topic from
time
to
time
therusytrombone: but
then you are betting on what
the creator meant but not what is written
mircea_popescu: well, i read it
the following way :
the bet can't be about some corp delivering before april 1st items it promised
to deliver starting april 5th
therusytrombone: pre-orders mean pre-orders,
there is no mention of batches
therusytrombone: read
the statement. read
the date. how can you infer any other way?
mircea_popescu: well, apparently your reading of
the
text doesn't match
the admin's and
the majority of bettor's/commenter's etc reading
thereof.
therusytrombone: it doesnt matter, it was written
that
they will deliver 1/2 of
their pre-orders
podizzle: this bfl
talk haunts me wherever i go
mircea_popescu: a reading including batch
two is nonsensical as batch
two wasn't even slated for delivery
till apr 5
podizzle: i
think bitbet has lots of potential but 30btc
to buy shares damn
mircea_popescu: any written
text has
the problem of reading.
this is why
there exist courts irl.
therusytrombone: so by how it was written, and
the date it was created,
the outcome should be No
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's been widely discussed here / in
the comments
there
too
therusytrombone: so you would have
to guess or assume
that
the statement meant only batch one?
therusytrombone: at
the
time
that statement was made,
there were
two batches for pre-order
jborkl: ok, I am going
to go
to lunch
them I will let you know, shouldnt
take
too long
mod6: just was curious.
thx :)
podizzle: how long does it
take for bets
to show max
mod6: yeah, i guess blockchain.info sometimes loses its wallet connections and
takes a bit
to reconnect
to other nodes.
mircea_popescu: any of you folks running multiple nodes willing
to do a node mapping project ?
jurov: so
think it's wildly inaccurate
jurov: cuz i have 90 connections now and none of
them is blockchain.info (it sees my
txs as arriving from around
the world)
kakobrekla: this stupid people and money parting is
taking
too long!
smickles: that's just blockchain.
they might now limit
to 500
jborkl: well, people
that did not upgrade
to .81 or change
the locks - I am guessing will no longer show up on nodes
Bugpowdurr: I just don't believe
that
there are only 500 nodes
jborkl: I have about 200 connections on
those 4
jborkl: but last
time it
took 2 dayd