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mod6: so i need to still do some negative testing; i need to kinda run the script a section at a time. and in each section, exiting after it pulls an artifact, diddle the signature by hand on the fs, then resume; this should cause the signature check to fail, and the signature conditional to exit the script with an error as designed.
shinohai: I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again ☟︎
mod6: Previously we were checking this, but I don't know if it was failing properly if there was a bad sig.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 yeah, i recall. << iirc, there was a whole pile of these second level deps. i seem to remember that at the time, there wasn't a plan in place for how to climb the mountain there. but with the primary artifacts now deeded, we have a pattern.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: added a footnote for you
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 06:31 mircea_popescu: this is a prime something to cleave, somehow. it is a major limit of our world, much moreso than "carbon" blabla or gravity. its unyielding pressure creates the necessity of the harem, for instance, and many things.
asciilifeform: which is, that mathematics is ~accessible~ to the determined mind. always, with no exception, WITHOUT demanding a swallowing of seekrit evidence. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 06:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of "deny". energy economics is a proper field, which you're welcome to learn if you care, or not. the behaviour you briefly engaged in is not unlike 15 yo alf trying to learn math by busting into brin sr's class and yelling "all functions are convex! prove me wrong!" really loudly.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511408 << it is a proper field , perhaps, but makes the spy business look transparent. ftmeade leaks, saudi palace - not, afaik. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article, iirc, where 'when considering avg price of cars, do not also average in the price of stolen cars sold in a hurry' ☟︎
asciilifeform: but also because the petro market is only partly a market, but partly also a system of tribute collection and other non-commercial exchange
asciilifeform: the 100, as i understand, is a more honest figure, it factors in actual trend (no prizes for guessing: down) in production, aint nobody making moar of it.. - and is less affected by the anti-ru dumping presently in effect
mircea_popescu: when i say "You see ? The capitalist found the externality, made his item certainly cheaper and arguably "better" at the expense of unknown things not in his charge." i am not being facetious. the derp's actually being a good capitalist in that example. which is the broader point there : one can't pull himself up by own breeches, "capitalism" is not a cure for stupidity, merely an instrument for smart people.
mircea_popescu: trinque the important point about "externalities" in a discussion of money, and by extension capitalism, is that they're never anything other than a power play. (much like appeals to "science" in a social setting, notwithstanding the libertard's hollow pretense to the contrary).
mircea_popescu: it's true that oil ~futures~ did top 100 for some time some time ago. this is a different sort of "price" than the "price" of interest in the reasoning above, and a different sort of signal.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to round the matter for the readership, oil is not 100, but about 35 atm. was 40 last year. in this interval of time, about two thirds of the cost of the barrel comes from various royalties paid to governments, both directly and indirectly in the form of "compliance" with myriad idiocies. the cost of refining, owing to technological advance entirely unrelated to government, is under a cent. transportation around a cen
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Fireside chat with Russ Roberts. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/29/fireside-chat-with-russ-roberts/
mircea_popescu: this is a prime something to cleave, somehow. it is a major limit of our world, much moreso than "carbon" blabla or gravity. its unyielding pressure creates the necessity of the harem, for instance, and many things. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of "deny". energy economics is a proper field, which you're welcome to learn if you care, or not. the behaviour you briefly engaged in is not unlike 15 yo alf trying to learn math by busting into brin sr's class and yelling "all functions are convex! prove me wrong!" really loudly. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the substance of the dreamer's dream is always dreamy! and of a creamy consistence!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510902 << this is a good point, actually. gotta be looked into, sealing gotta seal all the crevices. << noted. I dug into this at one point, but got side tracked by other pressing things that came up at the time. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 01:16 mircea_popescu: i eagerly await article explaining how $100 petrobarrel << i dunno what you think this sort of nonsense achieves. what in fact it achieves is "oh look, alf has nfi what stuff costs, but he wants to derp about how it works". it's a bad habit.
BingoBoingo: In other news, some derp is dreaming about mustering enough miners to 51% the ethereum chain that didn't hardfork in a time travel theft. Idiot appears to be neglecting that much hash would make his chain vulnerable.
mircea_popescu: i eagerly await article explaining how $100 petrobarrel << i dunno what you think this sort of nonsense achieves. what in fact it achieves is "oh look, alf has nfi what stuff costs, but he wants to derp about how it works". it's a bad habit. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and it ~is~ a cost. << so far, it's "alf got drunk one day, went on an abstruse rant".
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: consider a bouncer. logins and self-voicings is unnecessary opsec bit-leakage.
trinque: blockchain was a bit behind on the node, but yes, farts bundle URLs now
pete_dushenski: anyways, i have to beat this rainstorm heading my way. having left the 16cyls parked, cycling and all. i'll read the continuation in the logs but it'll be a few busy days until i'm voiced again.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this entire thread reminds me of a uniquely-american, incidentally, pasttime: impassioned defense of the heathen imperial system of weights&measures
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: of the social form, not the 'we wrote this on a piece of paper and now it means things and we also made lots and lots of signs everywhere so that you never forget what we wrote on the pieces of paper'
asciilifeform: but that ~nobody paid anything like the actual cost of his petro-ride at the pump, in half a century or so.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: my original contention had nothing to do with a particular price.
pete_dushenski: so bitcoin was once a buck. what of it ?
asciilifeform: trinque: generally a deliberate bargain is implied - otherwise, 'living cost him his life'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 23:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511123 << not for a second. without usg, gas is ~25 cents at the pump. it FEEDS the usgolade, not eats from it.
asciilifeform: and it ~is~ a cost.
trinque: you do not get to tally up the sum total of effect something has on the univese itself and try to derive a price from that
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 23:34 trinque: I am not here to pay for consequences like somebody's child, merely to buy a product
deedbot: b-a_alum voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: $up b-a_alum
mircea_popescu: trinque i'd be happy with a boyhood tax. to quote the classics, three pennies to the gossip ; two to the lie and one for every two stupidities.
mircea_popescu: there isn't "the cost of there being such a thing as saudi arabia". this isn't how costs work. and in general, this isn't fucking fiction.
pete_dushenski: trinque: chinese probably tried that already. a millennium ago or so.
mircea_popescu: this isn't going away just because alf had a weird day.
mircea_popescu: again : the 2 dollars paid at pump for a gallon of gas are split : $0.25 covers the entire economic process involved ; $1.75 goes to usg to pay for random idiocy du jour
trinque: they should introduce a meta-tax next, which is a tax which covers the cost (including pain and suffering) of the cockroach bureaucrats having to count the taxes
ben_vulpes: nah pete_dushenski you gotta install a bouncer so that nobody knows when you're around or not, and as a consequence can't raise an eyebrow at 'too much time in #trilema'
trinque: I am not here to pay for consequences like somebody's child, merely to buy a product ☟︎
asciilifeform: roll, e.g., simply the costs of there being such a thing as saudi arabia. if you like, ~solely~ of property damage from attributed explosions.
pete_dushenski: this is a slippery slope towards 'all lives are worth infinityplusone doll hairs'
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:46 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in a sane world, it would be petrol station that is a costly luxury.
mircea_popescu: dude. the cost of hiring a woman to scrub my floor is not "whatever plus the cost of keeping her from going to college and also running of to cuba w3hen she was 17"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: Right Answer is like Right God, it's a very personal thing once you start to divorce its connection to terra firma.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it'd be effective. you'd end up with a nine ton car.
mircea_popescu: out of every gallon burned, car eats a quarter and usg seven.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511123 << not for a second. without usg, gas is ~25 cents at the pump. it FEEDS the usgolade, not eats from it. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 23:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511085 << there still isn't. this is like saying "before emperor took a shit in the soup bowl there was no turdsoup." sure, now there is, technically, but it still ain't soup in the sense, "i'd want to eat that". i dun think at any point the notion that if you tape many cellphone batteries together you get A LARGER BATTERY/firehazard.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511097 << he doesn't know why he wants it ; but the larger thing that he's trying, unknowingly, to be, ie "mainstream media" thrives on anonimity because then greenwald, ie self-appointed derp of no value or importance, can ride on "anon" back all the way to the bank. it's a mental model that gets all the journawhores wet. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:37 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: petrol car only looks like a great deal because no one hangs you upside down and rubs yer nose in the externalities.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511085 << there still isn't. this is like saying "before emperor took a shit in the soup bowl there was no turdsoup." sure, now there is, technically, but it still ain't soup in the sense, "i'd want to eat that". i dun think at any point the notion that if you tape many cellphone batteries together you get A LARGER BATTERY/firehazard. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: funny how there's always a "legion in the sky" at every powerless derp's beak and call. "THE REAL WORLD". orly ? what real world ?
ben_vulpes: aw come now! she didn't lose a finger.
mircea_popescu: watched them paint it a garish blue once. they ran out of paint, leaving a footlong section down the middle.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510902 << this is a good point, actually. gotta be looked into, sealing gotta seal all the crevices. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: could fit a few dependopotami on one of those cylinders
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: rockefeller's usa was a petro-exporter.
ben_vulpes: “The engine, with a bore of 950 mm and a stroke of 3,460 mm, provides 6,870 kW/cylinder at 80 rpm and 21 bar MEP (in L1) and was introduced as a supplement to the successful S90ME-C9/10 engine types, allowing the engine to be further de-rated thanks to the larger cylinder bore and/or fewer cylinders to be installed.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that's a sexy tractor if ever i've seen one.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is a new point in the logs?
ben_vulpes: "for 7.5k i'd expect you bought the 2-turbo model, but can you check to see if it has 2 or 3? sometimes the factory bolted a spare on."
ben_vulpes: heh was actually looking at a trashcan nissan on craigslist the other day. someone wanted 7.5k for it.
ben_vulpes: i have 12 cylinders of hate that need to turn over twice a month.
BingoBoingo: From "bitcoinist.net" betting picks "Although Woodley has shown some cardio issues in the past and does carry a lot of muscle mass that can produce fatigue, I think this fight will go over 2.5 rounds." << ROLFMAO
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in a sane world, it would be petrol station that is a costly luxury. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and their value in general. maybe asciilifeform likes that leccy cars are 'cleaner' but $10k for a new battery pack every decade ? nothx.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'm going to go out on a limb and bet that battery is shot
_FeltPen: Thnx Bingo. Yep, have registered a key already IIRC.
BingoBoingo: _FeltPen: Also register a key and do they right things
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 20:12 covertress: On Twitter, A.A. wrote: If the person who drained the DAO wants to do an interview, I can offer voice-masking and anonymity. Contact me via http://antonopoulos.com
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: petrol car only looks like a great deal because no one hangs you upside down and rubs yer nose in the externalities. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: no dispute on musk's contribution to range. but it's still like making the best ipad ~intheworld~. call it what you want but it's a poor replacement for a workstation, just as is electric car for gas car.
asciilifeform: i bet even mircea_popescu could not buy a xerox 'dorado'.
pete_dushenski: just, it was a 1.8L, but 'rover' made engine in the early lotus elise
ben_vulpes: would *love* to have pushed one of the electric-drive ones around. not as a useful car thing, but as a dope little driving chassis with an electric powertrain.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 22:30 pete_dushenski: musk took a lotus rolling chassis, added 5k laptop batteries, cobbled the whole thing together in true british shedding fashion, and sold the result to a few demokrats and even more investors
pete_dushenski: musk took a lotus rolling chassis, added 5k laptop batteries, cobbled the whole thing together in true british shedding fashion, and sold the result to a few demokrats and even more investors ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 21:27 asciilifeform: visit junkyard, find an old yugo wreck, repaint it, have ghostwriter write prospectus where you have a new, exciting car co.
asciilifeform: visit junkyard, find an old yugo wreck, repaint it, have ghostwriter write prospectus where you have a new, exciting car co. ☟︎
covertress: I'm off to grow a company. Thank you #trilema for accepting me as a citizen. ttyl
shinohai: If someone gave me a steaming pile of golang as a gift, I'd probably reconsider my friends.
asciilifeform: and what means 'was created for me as a gift' ??
covertress: KR was created for me as a gift. My gift to the KR community will be to make it better.
covertress: BingoBoingo, are you implying that my alt-eth is a weed. In it's present state, I agree. KR's client will be undergoing an entire rewrite in a more sane lang than Golang.
BingoBoingo: Palmer's Amaranth is not merely a weed.
covertress: I don't mind you think of me as a weed. Yes, I'm sure.
covertress: I have a pgp now.
ben_vulpes: these logs are a) more widely read than any shithead 140 character 'prose', and b) read by people whose attention spans can handle them.
covertress: Shall I invite A.A. here then?
ben_vulpes: twitter is not "a place".
covertress: :) As I thought (no interview.) Just wanted to pass that along and request if it is alright that I reply to A.A. on Twitter with M.P.'s FU blog post.