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MJR__: ThickAsThieves: it is ponzi mode EXCEPT
that believing makes it
true in some ways
ThickAsThieves: its appalling how little
the average person cares about inflation, etc
MJR__: I
think in 2016, monetary policy will be big during elections
ThickAsThieves: rising
this quickly is
totally ponzi mode, so increasing risk of people left holding
the bag
MJR__: and now seems
to be
the
time...
MJR__: and while I don't want it
to grow
too fast, it's no ones
to control
MJR__: we will see many
things launched in San Jose in may
MJR__: we'll see, but I
think
this will be known as
the summer of bitcoin
gribble: BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 155.01201, Best ask: 155.95871, Bid-ask spread: 0.94670, Last
trade: 155.95871, 24 hour volume: 33977.68618309, 24 hour low: 141.31000, 24 hour high: 157.00000, 24 hour vwap: 147.18995
ThickAsThieves: bots are probably
that bad yet, I
think
there have been a fair amount of buys
that haven't broke even yet.
taub: mircea_popescu: are
the bots losses big yet?
gribble: There are currently 31163186 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11546304.8383 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 54.2963 seconds
gribble: BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 155.00000, Best ask: 155.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.19999, Last
trade: 155.00000, 24 hour volume: 33890.45484523, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 157.00000, 24 hour vwap: 147.00146
gribble: BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 155.00000, Best ask: 156.94419, Bid-ask spread: 1.94419, Last
trade: 155.00000, 24 hour volume: 31538.74456478, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 154.00000, 24 hour vwap: 146.28584
gribble: MtGox lag is 107.523063 seconds. During
this
time, light
travels 0.215475014364 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at
their closest approach (0.254 AU).
gribble: MtGox lag is 67.013025 seconds. During
this
time, light
travels 0.134293351785 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin
ten
times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).
gribble: There are currently 2082.1976 bitcoins offered at or under 159.0 USD, worth 323973.73347 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 57.7730 seconds
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 9035656.70557 based on data since last change | 8255413.27355 based on data for last
three days
gribble: There are currently 4250.6917 bitcoins offered at or under 165.0 USD, worth 678554.100851 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 37.7185 seconds
gribble: There are currently 1744.9707 bitcoins offered at or under 159.0 USD, worth 272416.846437 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 21.3470 seconds
anarchy5: thats at least several
thousand people wanting
to wire huge amounts of money
gribble: There are currently 20470.759 bitcoins offered at or under 225.0 USD, worth 3665049.412 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds
gribble: There are currently 31169744 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11568570.0482 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 114.3914 seconds
anarchy5: ChaangNo_: you can bet your ass on it, my friend is number 13630 in
the verification queue lol
gribble: BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 153.00000, Best ask: 153.58998, Bid-ask spread: 0.58998, Last
trade: 153.58999, 24 hour volume: 30061.67247586, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 154.00000, 24 hour vwap: 145.95625
ChaangNo_: pretty sure more
than 1.5 million usd will hit
the market next week
gribble: There are currently 9233.7121 bitcoins offered at or under 175.0 USD, worth 1535430.41877 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 82.7095 seconds
gribble: There are currently 2447.8068 bitcoins offered at or under 160.0 USD, worth 385530.858307 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 68.6515 seconds
Diablo-D3: in GPUs we dont decide how
the chip is laid out so we
try
to make
th ebest use of it
gribble: BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 152.55000, Best ask: 153.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last
trade: 152.55000, 24 hour volume: 29167.67662843, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 154.00000, 24 hour vwap: 145.70414
Diablo-D3: ANYTHING
that makes it slower, no matter if its
technically an optimization or not, is verboten
Diablo-D3: each chip is very expensive
to produce, it needs
tso hash as fast as possible
Diablo-D3: and you want
the cores as small and as stupid as possible so you can pack more onto
the chip
bitesak: it's nice
to see
the bid price on Call options rising
Diablo-D3: because
that
takes more room on
the chip
Diablo-D3: you CANNOT precompute any part of
the beginning
Diablo-D3: we do
the first 64 on
the cpu, precompute everything we can for
the second 64, and
then skip
the last 7 steps of
the last 64
Scrat: Diablo-D3: yeah, significant gains other
than
that would imply a weakening of sha256
Diablo-D3: Scrat: I even wrote a SSA compiler in perl
that optimizes for parallel execution
that you feed it opencl and get opencl
gribble: There are currently 1579.7787 bitcoins offered at or under 155.0 USD, worth 240784.985216 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 50.6103 seconds
gribble: There are currently 599.86303 bitcoins offered at or under 151.0 USD, worth 90105.2013641 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 33.9313 seconds
gribble: MtGox lag is 12.944595 seconds. During
this
time, light
travels 0.0259408234451 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin
ten
times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU).
gribble: There are currently 609.96465 bitcoins offered at or under 150.0 USD, worth 91494.697263 USD in
total. | Data vintage: 107.2627 seconds
Diablo-D3: btw, if
they're using a sea of rolled cores,
they can already
terminate
the last 7 rounds
Diablo-D3: on asics its going
to be less of an importance
Diablo-D3: Scrat:
the precomputed parts of
the beginning allow me
to do more in parallel for example
Diablo-D3: Scrat: I made more gains out of DiabloMiner doing OTHER
tricks
Scrat: Diablo-D3: is
the gain 10%? because you're adding quite a few jumps
Diablo-D3: which doesn't exist,
theoretically or otherwise
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 im just saying, suppose somebody somehow DOES manage
to optimise it.
Diablo-D3: at
the start you can precompute parts of several rounds but still have
to perform
the rounds
Scrat: Diablo-D3: so you skip
the final permutation step because you can check for
the first few bytes
Diablo-D3: you skip
the last few steps because you only need H
gribble: BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 149.90000, Best ask: 149.97999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07999, Last
trade: 149.90000, 24 hour volume: 26217.06280203, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 149.00000, 24 hour vwap: 145.13057
Diablo-D3: you skip some steps at
the start because its identical for
that set of 2**32 nonces (its precomputed on
the cpu and you send
the state variables
to
the kenrel/asic/whatever)
mircea_popescu: as it will be our first line of warning
to hash weakness
Diablo-D3: it really is as secure as
they say it is
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: people have done static analysis on
the process already
Diablo-D3: uh, you need
to learn how mining works bro
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: GPU kernels ALREADY only check
the first number, H
Scrat: the hash block size is
the minimum divisible entity in
the hash afaik, it's
the smallest unit
that you can compute
mircea_popescu: it's
trivial if you're
thinking software. as far as
the chip goes, it has
to be actually etched on
the chip.
Scrat: and
the check is only done in
the end,
the difference is
trivial
Scrat: mircea_popescu: I dont
think you understand how
the hash is computed
mircea_popescu: it's mind boggling
to me
that nobody has so far implemented
this.
mircea_popescu: so here's a basic improvement
to current asic hardware : you only need
to compute
the 2nd hash digit if
the 1st came out as 0
ChaangNo_: the 14,000 in
the gox line is such a bullish sign, as is new ATH on a sunday
ChaangNo_: yeah, i will look into it, iv been
traveling and dead
tired
ChaangNo_: too much
to do :/ if
the price is about
the same i might do it
tomorrow
ChaangNo_: i wont
tonight, but might
tomorrow
ChaangNo_: hmm, yeah we might get
that but ill pass,
ChaangNo_: what does
the price need
to be for me
to break even at
that price?
ChaangNo_: so like $219ish
to break even just doing
the maths in my head
ChaangNo_: thats why i did not get it, you had fiat in
there
mircea_popescu: ChaangNo_ you pay .082122etc btc for
the dollar value of 1 btc over 200
ChaangNo_: lol im not sure what im even looking at, and i used
to
trade gold options
jurov: lol
the bidprice is so
telling
jurov: u can go
to mpex.co?