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MJR__: hope
they do it well
MJR__: have
they
tried
to make a good faith gesture
to
the community: yes
MJR__: im saying, is it useful:
to some yes, is it possible: yes, is anonymity necessary in
this case: yes
MJR__: for moments like
those
MJR__: I love
these discussions
jurov: not sure how
to make sexual analogy for it
jurov: also, not
taking into consideration all
the other no-no flags,
that broker is
targeting people who
think divesting BTC into stocks is a good idea
mircea_popescu: if she cares what he
thinks she's not
tall enough
to ride.
MJR__: the dad is
the SEC
MJR__: does
that make her not hot?
MJR__: but I see your point, my point is
that she may not want her dad knowing she is showing her juicy bits
to everyone
MJR__: (though why I want
to
try, my motives, make no sense)
MJR__: I can't
trust her
till I see her naked
MJR__: I highly doubt
the girl I assumed
to be 110 was actually 300
jurov: good for ya. consider starting a rating agency for yourself
then.
MJR__: but I can usually
tell whether a girl will be gross or hot even with a raincoat on
MJR__: well...not sure
the level of dumbness built into
this
mircea_popescu: is
this ogre a stunner just because she's carefully avoiding
the flash ?
mircea_popescu: there's a girl
that says she looks good, but will never pose naked.
mircea_popescu: MJR__ let's
try a different approach, maybe sex works better.
jurov: not
that
torbroker kid
MJR__: I
trust mircea_popescu
MJR__: oh no
the BTC people don't like me
mod6: but he's here, and he says he wont, and he says he's interested in making
this new econ work, not
trying
to hose it over.
MJR__: and im sure he could cry about on
the beach
mod6: nothing, really. if mircea_popescu run's i guess we're screwed, but we can rate him down in
the WoT forever.
MJR__: I see nothing
that provides me an FDIC guarantee on an account
MJR__: what can actually guarantee me
that mpex cannot do
that
MJR__: what is
to actually physically stop anyone from
taking
their coins dumping on mt gox and retiring
to a beach
town in
the Caribbean
MJR__: im saying risk what you can afford
to lose
mircea_popescu: just, as you get burned, you'll see
the presumption of guilt is
the correct approach.
mircea_popescu: this is how people like kludge ended up burned.
they felt like
they knew.
MJR__: just said
that I can see a scenario where
they deliver as promised
MJR__: I never said I'd use
them
mircea_popescu: but i
think as you get burned you'll learn for yourself.
jurov: MJR__ i don't get it
too. what information do you have
that convinced you it's certainly legit?
MJR__: like every fucking other BTC business out
there
mircea_popescu: look.
this is like a
teenager declaring
themselves a surgeon.
MJR__: haven't done
that...yet
mircea_popescu: torbroker is a scam
trying
to abuse a legitimate model./
mircea_popescu: this
torbroker
thing
takes your 10 btc, buys stocks for
them which it holds.
MJR__: you are not loaning your position
to
them
mircea_popescu: well we can, but not when
the facts are clearly on one side.
MJR__: we can agree
to disagree
MJR__: simply
the coinsforpizza of stock
mircea_popescu: MJR__
torbroker has carefully avoiding making plain
the fact
that all customer positions are loans
to it.
MJR__: lol, but
they accept bitcoins,
torbroker has not mentioned equity or loans
MJR__: are
they a bitcoin business?
mircea_popescu: 're
the periphery of btc, if indeed part of it at all. seems mostly accidental and well... who cares.
MJR__: only point was its possible (as of
the
time of
this post)
to run an illegal business honestly, and anonymously
MJR__: and
there is a huge difference between legal and illegal
MJR__: so...I see scenarios where people provide an honest service, and
those who participate, do
MJR__: been around far longer
than most
MJR__: well, he operates a
trustworthy business apparently
MJR__: is DPR in
the WoT? I actually don't know
mircea_popescu: not in
the wot. not known
to actual btc businesspeople.
MJR__: what's
the applicable rule
they are breaking?
MJR__: with anonymity, I could care less whether
they rule it "homosexual" or "illegal" or "whatever"
mircea_popescu: btc business
that fails
to fgollow btc rules => fraudulent operation aka scam.
mircea_popescu: point still remains. dollar business
thart fails
to follow dollar rules => criominal enterprise.
MJR__: I don't define my morals by
the law, and could care less what
they decide...as long as it doesn't affect me
MJR__: anyone who "brokers" will be in
two different businesses
mircea_popescu: it's a dollars busines. if it fails
to follow
the dollar rules it will be a criminal operation.
MJR__: in
the business of dollars? or using dollars
to
transact
MJR__: so every store
that accepts dollars is a dollar business?
MJR__: not
that I know of
mircea_popescu: MJR_ does
this
thing purport
to be a bitcoin busienss ?
MJR__: Pick a security
to long or short. At
the next market opening, we will mirror your position...
MJR__: Pick a security
to long or short. At
the next market opening, we will mirror your position on
the real market.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean at all ?
they claim
to be a btc business.
they're not.
mircea_popescu: but in fact
they do deceive, and it is
to
their benefit.
MJR__: or
to deceive at all
MJR__: but I don't
think
their intent is
to deceive for
their own benefit
mircea_popescu: that it intends
to harm or it merely intends
to deceive is irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: tyes well. man's
thoughts can not be on
trial since
the devil himself doesn't know what man
thinks.
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MJR__: intentional being
the key word
MJR__: fraud is intentional deception made for personal gain or
to damage another individual
MJR__: so impossible
to progress
MJR__: I
think we disagree on
the fundamental definition of fraud
MJR__: mod6: sorry
to hear it
mod6: thats
the only
time i've gotten scammed