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diana_coman: as to length that indeed I can agree it is
a big fault of tolkien - at times he rambles because apparently he's just too much in love with the landscape basically
BingoBoingo: Fuck, lingering in this channel and its predecessor since 2013 has really attuned my ability to smell death even with my pack
a day cigarette habit
mircea_popescu: this might be the first html document that starts with
a </style> tag.
mircea_popescu: hanbot why would you place ~it in the actual work~ when it's
a response to
a meta-discussion you started with " i don't think tolkien had much mastery of economy of words" ?
mircea_popescu: it's the fundamental core of all bad literature, "what if the rules didn't apply". good literature is the work of "what if the rules applied differently", never
a case of "let's all pretend britannia rules the seas."
mircea_popescu: hanbot it's
a problem deeper than mere "economy of words".
mircea_popescu: but that's light, the humour of
a well fed mob. you recall the scene of the poor italian child with
a bedridden mother and numerous siblings living in
a hole, jumping to his death ? much more on point.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 16:18 mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know that medieval "for lack of
a nail" thing ?
hanbot: sure. and no, i don't think tolkien had much mastery of economy of words (somehow this'd seem to make him less
a copywriter? or maybe merely
a more monstrous one).
mircea_popescu: but,
a blog differs from "
a body of literary work" in this sense, that it's much more extensive.
a blog is "all the literature i could write",
a middle ground between "i did" and "i could have".
mircea_popescu: (and yes, faggotry is not merely sexuality, ie, homosexuality. it is also
a certain sort of ineptitude. the man who stutters when addressing
a woman is not merely short of the simple "strip" indication ; but actually
a faggot by this measure.)
hanbot: well there's an interesting cleavage. it's probably
a stretch but i might suggest that tolkein's bit with gollum shares the sensual/sexual/at any rate internal-and-external, physical change via subjugation of self that appears in say alice's "eat me" wafers, if that does anything for you mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: when i was
a child i wore blue, and diana_coman wore pink. thanks god they didn't mix up the colors, lest i'd have grown tits ?
mircea_popescu: baudelaire, toulouse-lautrec and five others fucked the same one whore. this blessed woman made toulouse-lautrec
a writer, baudelaire
a painter, and five others nothing ?
mircea_popescu: i do not say any such thing. i say he is
a competent smith, running as best he can
a convenience shop, which for whatever reason is blessed with
a wall where every jay and silent bob in the county is attracted to rest, and rap, and what they do.
phf: so is it purely when i became
a man, i put the ways of childhood behind me, or you're saying there's something specific to tolkien that turns his fans into castrati?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Well butthurt does tend to fade. If it persists longer than two weeks they have to see
a doctor
mircea_popescu: but but whay! it's more cultural this way! like
a play!
BingoBoingo: The people who deep inside wanted another novel to take them away from IRL for
a while.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. In the interim the butthurt is
a lot of win.
BingoBoingo: My opinion of JK Rowling increased over the weekend when I learned that she released the new Harry Potter story as
a printed play.
A++ Trolling.
mircea_popescu: i can understand others can be, and have no beef with it. and i don't necessarily even pity the situation,
a test's
a test.
mircea_popescu: not quite. consider : "what would you call bullshit science ?" "anything that comes from
a grant application".
mircea_popescu: look,
a woman's still
a whore if she gets married to some loser and keeps doing it.
diana_coman: if it is copywriting hence the point is to get paid for the length, she did better by
a wide margin , no?
mircea_popescu: "somewhere in the teens". ie, "when i disbecame
a child".
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear the anglos even have
a "life plan" that includes anything besides "how to be mme bovary's husband BUT AVOID the whole legbox incident & fallout thereof."
diana_coman: Tolkien made his universe as
a place to experiment with his language; I can fully see and agree with the point that it is "not real life" - I read him very late and therefore I knew this already, I never for
a second considered it as "real life" or reflection of it or whatever; I guess that's where the whole thing comes from
diana_coman: hm, funnily enough I did love Sadoveanu as
a kid but got over it somewhere in the teens
mircea_popescu: i even loved him as
a kid, and thought it great fiction. just don't seem to summon the interest these days.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> this activity, not just "tolkien" but generally "reading", is very much subverted in the anglotard world. have yo useen this, whole carloads of white, quiet, mousy people "reading
a book" on their commute <- actually I saw this in FRANCE
phf: i don't think even tolkien fans think of tolkien as
a writer, that's why him and his brood get own section at
a bookstore
mircea_popescu: this activity, not just "tolkien" but generally "reading", is very much subverted in the anglotard world. have yo useen this, whole carloads of white, quiet, mousy people "reading
a book" on their commute.
diana_coman: well, fwiw tolkien as far as I know did NOT consider himself
a writer
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the notion that tolkien is
a writer is not unlike the notion that roger alexander of the us civil war reenactment society is
A CIVIL WAR HERO.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, "there's no errect penis in tolkien's book" - is this
a correct description of the main fault you find?
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, pure and proper obesity is
a thing; if one gorges on butter only without exercising/doing anything/actually cooking with it, they become morbidly something; how is that the fault of butter now though?
phf: but the message seems to be, don't eat this it's bad for you. BingoBoingo grew up with fat people who don't know how to cook and only eat at mcdonalds. i grew up with moscows girls who all know how to cook, and for them stopping by
a mcdonalds for
a milkshake was sort of
a thing
BingoBoingo: Cultural obesity is
a thing. If one gorges on Disney without exercising their culture in the real world, they become morbidly something.
mircea_popescu: (no, not ah, aj, it's not
a misspelling, it just looks like one.)
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> exactly because they are not special << And then they take
a shit on national borders et al. Reading this sort of immersive universe is exactly how awkward teens become bornies/aspies/et al because they can wait for Gandalf to make them different and interesting.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you know that medieval "for lack of
a nail" thing ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this, because idiots perceived
a man with
a naked woman on her knees.
mircea_popescu: phf allow me to quote to you from modern tolkien : "The heir apparent, Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn, is poorly regarded in Thailand and the succession has clouded the brows of not only the Thai political elite, but the Thai people, who believe
a period of substantial instability will follow the King's death"
☟︎ phf: well, tolkien ~is~
a construction set, but that's its whole point, it's just
a very elaborate construction set.
diana_coman: I don't follow where the magical artefact came from; fwiw I fully agree that
a book's
a mechanism, true; I still can't fully grasp where you say this particular mechanism is broken/not even one ; I'll go through the old threads again, maybe I get it
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it that english doesn't EVEN HAVE the word that describes its literature, ie,
a rata, ratare ?
mircea_popescu: if it's famous it gets "famous" translator, who's
a writer ratee, who then fills the corpse with his own crabs. gives appearance of life, movement at least.
mircea_popescu: granted the attendance is not much trained in this weird arcana, so we'll not dispose the matter on the spot. but still, worth thinking of.
a book's
a mechanism, like any other, not some sort of magical artefact.
mircea_popescu: i said, actually, bring out
a class,
a function,
a fucking data type, ANYTHING, that'd show this kid can program.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman this is not true, for i am not people. i am
a scholar, and when i spit an error the problem's the code not the compiler.
phf: tolkien is not literature though, it's more like an oxford style set of artifacts (epics, linguistic analysis, chronicles, etc.). the interesting part of tolkien is that he invented
a universe and described it through same set of tools he would describe historical past. the sex part is on point, because stodgy british professor, he views his imaginary world through same dodgy prism he views historical past.
mircea_popescu: hey, it was
a meal.
a man without
a meal is liable to do shocking things for the $50.
mircea_popescu: one doesn't get out of literary criticism just by writing
A LOT of crud people can't be bothered to read through.
mircea_popescu: i have read the book. to my standard of reading
a book, which does include throw it away on its own merits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform (the french point, for ease of following : at the time james was king. the king of scotland. scotland was, throughout, and recognised at the time,
a french outpost in the islands. shakespeare's own henry says as much.)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-02 15:30 mircea_popescu: iirc the army training is more along the lines of "if your mate looks like he's going to become
a prisoner, shoot them"
mircea_popescu: was
a brief time in english history they were owned by the french, and it showed.
mircea_popescu: he is, if you wish
a metaphor, in the position of the old scottish lord with
a nice big castle and ample fields, sitting alone without offspring, without the possibility of offspring, disinterested in the world, waiting to die.
mircea_popescu: he comes from
a dead culture.
a culture which was never interesting to begin with.
mircea_popescu: yes, but i specifically disclaimed the argument as to craft. yes, the man is
a crafty writer, archeologist, etc. put in the work. hard work. intelligently. yes.
mircea_popescu also can't normally remember people's names. the people in question flatter themselves with the idea this is
a fault of mine.
mircea_popescu: i for the life of me can't distinguish them, and this is never
a good sign.
diana_coman: don't know where he is on that, but harry potter is
a shit from what I saw and no way to compare it to tolkien
mircea_popescu: it just makes them what thgey always were : invidious barbarians lost in
a distant, misty island.
mircea_popescu:
a bunch of tired oxford fags trying to give their miserable subculture breath in the heavens doesn't make it
a sort of byzantine "chrstian faith"
mircea_popescu: can't even fucking remember any of this crud it's always the same words in
a different souping.
mircea_popescu: hopkins does probably his best role ~as
a man~, to jack nicholson levels. debra winger is utterly superb. perfect performance.
mircea_popescu: somehow this is
a lot more democratic than it sounds. because MODERN no doubt.
mircea_popescu: iirc the army training is more along the lines of "if your mate looks like he's going to become
a prisoner, shoot them"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: fatlogic is part of
a larger series on "Socialism-brand Idiocy [I Can't Believe It's Not Stupid], and its consumerist aftermarket effects"
mircea_popescu: b) poor people spend more on the symbols of "wealth" such as
a shitty chinese import than sane people would, as
a proportion of their expenditure.
mircea_popescu: but economy has nothing to do with it. humongo traffic jams in ba mostly because
a) everyone here drives like
a confused miami senior citizen. they can't fucking merge.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 22:29 pete_dushenski:
https://vimeo.com/101336844 << dunno why anyone would worry about thai succession. crown prince looks like
a pimp. wife topless at dinner, 80's pop beats, good times.
BingoBoingo: I mean cellphone accidents are how the Israeli's get
a lot of their cadavers
a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 22:24 a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 17:52 BingoBoingo: NO, targeted assasination attempt on
a Lord of TMSR
phf "please don't be
a grotesquely large woman"