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mircea_popescu: Insaneatyou you can do that in the regulated market too.
Insaneatyou: asciilifeform - ah, yes, i hadn't quite realized that you could do that. It's an unregulated marekt
Bugpowder: is there a difference?
mircea_popescu: "Do I have depression, or is this all just hormones?"
Bugpowder: I recommend watching clark moody with the sound up loud
mircea_popescu: how have i not seen this before.
asciilifeform: Insaneatyou: empty your penny jar, and buy one bitcoin. write a trading bot and see if you can turn it into two.
mircea_popescu: dude totally.
mircea_popescu: "I feel like I can't talk to anyone, because my own problems are stupid and insignificant, because I am stupid and insignificant."
Bugpowder: remove the "looking to" from this sentence. "but to be honest, I'm looking to study Economics, that's my area of interest"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: of the 'performance enhancing' kind
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what happened to love you dark van gogh spirit you
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 206.01001, Best ask: 206.29959, Bid-ask spread: 0.28958, Last trade: 206.29959, 24 hour volume: 103646.77817016, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 207.00000, 24 hour vwap: 189.53950
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps drugs are the answer.
mircea_popescu: i like people who know they're worthless pieces of garage.
mircea_popescu: dude i should hang out there more.
mircea_popescu: i didn't even know there was a ny sun
bgupta: I hate headlines like this that don't have a matching story http://www.nysun.com/national/boom-in-bitcoins-challenges-bernanke-amid-sagging/88262/
Insaneatyou: I did much math before, but haven't used it in a while, i also used to code some
Insaneatyou: My plan was to load up after the price drops from it's highs
mircea_popescu: best at solving complex problems but no math skills !? how exactly does this work ?
Insaneatyou: but to be honest, I'm looking to study Economics, that's my area of interest
asciilifeform: Insaneatyou: drum up an exit stampede from BTC, then. so that you (and the rest of us) can load up a bit.
Insaneatyou: I'm apparently the worst at selling myself
Insaneatyou: I hate people but make a fair to middling salesman
asciilifeform: Insaneatyou: the common pattern here is that "money makes money" doesn't apply here; having more BTC (or USD) does not give you an advantage in purely intellectual battles
Insaneatyou: but I'd like to pointout, i already mentioned this to MP
asciilifeform: Insaneatyou: work on evil things. Trojans that steal BTC/LTC or mine; more efficient ways to brute-force SHA256; attacks on the network; and the like.
Insaneatyou: asciilifeform hey, I would love to work with BTC but I am poor. MP said I should talk to you
bowjob: and i hate babies. all they do is shit around
bowjob: nah. i had this classmate knock a girl up when he was in hs. he's not so free these days
unbalanced_: So we just have to do it ourselves.
thestringpuller: too bad I'm still behind the paywall :D
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 204.50000, Best ask: 204.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 204.60000, 24 hour volume: 106092.82752189, 24 hour low: 172.13000, 24 hour high: 207.00000, 24 hour vwap: 188.99308
unbalanced_: I completely agree about finding people willing to Do The Work.
taub: bgupta: i haven't found out any correlation yet, but it's cute to look at
unbalanced_: MJR_ is your site in private testing yet?
bgupta: yeah.. but the crossing of the threshold.. over 2 billion.. blah
mircea_popescu: bgupta technically it's 2.22 bn
bgupta: so press has noticed 200, haven't seen much talk of $2billion http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so time in bitcoin is accelerated 1000x to real life?
bgupta: taub: wondering if that ratio thing is a red herring.. and just a natural result of what happens when price goes up.. IE: people don't set out to sell a fixed number of coins, but rather they are selling to raise a certain amount of fiat to pay for bills/toys.. and in btc terms those keep getting cheaper as btc rallies.
mircea_popescu: the text said "yet".
bowjob: it used to be him trolling, then I turned the thread about cats... then somehow it tured out to be an ATH thread
MJR_: that was a hilarious thread
bowjob: "Topic: I'm calling the top here @ $23.98961"
bowjob: I love this thread
bowjob: aye, thats fine.. kk
Olive6767: is this me or btc-e trades are not working currently?
bowjob: i assume the other guy put some btc in, thats why his got accepted
MJR_: i mean like a solid base for other people to build an economy around
mircea_popescu: bowjob there were two bets, one had a zeroconf in it and was picked.
MJR_: ugh, i don't mean like the bitcoin foundation
MJR_: become the foundation
MJR_: only way is for someone to do what you did in other spaces
mircea_popescu: it's a conundrum i tell ye.
mircea_popescu: and the people who code have monstrous ego issues.
mircea_popescu: other than people who code there doesn't really seem to be any group in the us with any sort of work ethic.
MJR_: mircea_popescu: I agree, don't need repackagers, need people willing to work
MJR_: which may seem like a lot of cash, but it isn't really in the grand scheme of where they are now
mircea_popescu: tyvm but that is not useful.
mircea_popescu: MJR_ where "the services they need" = other people doing all the work so they can just repackage it and pretend to be apple./
MJR_: bloomberg started with 10 mil and 22 terminals
MJR_: and right now everyone is waiting for everyone else to start the business that they can have as a customer, but they won't start it till they have the services they need
mircea_popescu: bowjob tis possible.
mircea_popescu: people just want to dick around pressing f5 on some imaginary "getting rich" thing
MJR_: and it does take work and capital
bowjob: ... were there 2 bets?
bowjob: For this bet, I posted the exact same bet, i dont see my addy
mircea_popescu: nobody wants to sink the work into anything.
mircea_popescu: MJR_ i kept trying to push people towards dfoing a blog, which is a subset of what you say but easier to do (for a geek)
MJR_: bloomberg started small (i know most people can't believe that these monolithic huge corps were startups at one point)
MJR_: 1700 people on the subreddit now...
MJR_: I think if someone just read the top stories from reddit, and had a simple feed from this channel on a youtube program, while showing bitcoinity, bitcoincharts, clarkmoody, they could get ad revenue
MJR_: so eventually data services will be a part of that, but for now its trying to get the most bang for the buck
MJR_: my plan is not to try and woo current customers but rather find a large pool of new customers, expanding the pie rather than redistributing it
mircea_popescu: this should work on the long term, stratefgically speaking
bgupta: right my point is in this case, I sense that that a solid site could be built, and it would be useful, and get a lot of traffic, but there doesn't seem to be a market yet of folks iwlling to pay for a paywall service.. and ads can only bring in so much.
mircea_popescu: tbh i think the model is very good as it is : bitcoinity for the crazed f5 mashing crowd, bitcoincharts for the more in depth universal minded minds.
MJR_: I appreciate the little easter eggs, and i think people watch bitcoinity pretty religiously
jurov: MJR_ ur doing something too, no?
MJR_: i think that if you want to talk about eyeballs on a screen, bitcoinity has that...someone should create the CNBC of bitcoin, and basically just do a youtube channel talking about bitcoin related affairs with great market data in the ticker and sidebar.
mircea_popescu: and let that boss not be me.
mircea_popescu: granted, a geek might not be mentally capable to turn something useful into something productive.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, as far as websites go, thuis would be the highest traffic website in btc.
mircea_popescu: bgupta irl bloomberg seems to do okay.
jurov: while i'm at it, what price is used for exercises when btccharts isn't there?
bgupta: what's the revenue in running a pricing service?
mircea_popescu: absent that, it doesn
mircea_popescu: the community has to get ity's collective useless ass in a bunch and make a working service.
mircea_popescu: bgupta the entire idea is to separate data feeds and market
bgupta: I'd look at the uptime/downtime numbers of the public one that's used, and see how often it's offline
jurov: i know but bitcoinity can make average vwap from these 4 biggest exchanges they have there
mircea_popescu: i think you are, yes
bgupta: mircea_popescu: Am I observing incorrectly that min/max and volume numbers go away if bots aren't playing?
jurov: can't you ask bitcoinity to provide alternative feed?
mircea_popescu: if bot can't find pricing feed / is not sane it just doesn't quote, tries again.
MJR_: i am more worried about everyone choosing to just say, why bother selling at all...
mircea_popescu: <jurov> iirc mp said they place orders with expiration date, they don't actively cancel them << this is correct.
MJR_: i think it would be funny if one day all the sellers decided to list all their coins at $1010101...for 10 minutes, just to show people that they have to choose to sell