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Bugpowder: I think its a very reasonable strat
unbalanced_: Taleb says it's like a thousand little paper cuts. A bunch of little ouches but you never "blow up" and lose too much.
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: never try to time the market
Bugpowder: getting the timing is very tough
unbalanced_: Buy a few puts with a long enough time horizon to be right, and then wait.
unbalanced_: Change that chart to CROX weekly and check out 2011: it was priced on earnings expectations that would have meant that every shoe sold in the US would be a Croc for the next N years. Bubble, had to pop.
Bugpowder: over the last 5 years
unbalanced_: Yes you have to assume you will lose 100% on a trade if you are wrong and restrict your bet size accordingly.
Bugpowder: finally blew the account up
Bugpowder: I had huge account swings with options trading
Bugpowder: makes it tough
Bugpowder: yeah but after earnings the volatility premium suddenly drops
unbalanced_: Pick a company that could have drama in the next 90 days: earnings at risk, ridiculously overvalued or undervalued.
Bugpowder: I did a fair amount of options trading in 0708
unbalanced_: Right, but with options you take synthetic positions, e.g. straddles and strangles. You're already doing it here.
unbalanced_: Herbalife, that's the one I was thinking of: http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=HLF ... incredible volatility as the giants duked it out and tried to screw each other over.
Bugpowder: I don't try picking any stocks
Bugpowder: Here is my target allocations
Diablo-D3: never invest in things you dont understand
Diablo-D3: nothing trumps common sense
unbalanced_: I was in this strategy then and the portfolio was horizontal when all the world was crashing around us.
unbalanced_: I'm not a big believer in Modern Portfolio Theory after 2008.
unbalanced_: E.g. Apple in January, Amazon shortly after, that MLM company Ackman and Icahn are fighting over
unbalanced_: Out of the money options. Black Swans.
unbalanced_: Max downdraft in any one year, no matter what happens, is the amount in your Risk On slice, if every one of the 40 positions you take turns out to lose 100%.
Bugpowder: what are the long shots though?
Bugpowder: I should probably read that book
unbalanced_: If you mean your return on 80% of your portfolio may not keep up with inflation, my position on that is: who cares? The longshot options in the other 10-20%, the at risk portion of the portfolio, are what will provide portfolio return.
Bugpowder: if you are doing 2 year T Bills or shorter term, very little risk
unbalanced_: Yes I wouldn't touch 'em but here in Canada I use vanilla "high interest" savings accounts or money market funds for that portion.
unbalanced_: It has the advantage of avoiding the fact that in a bear market / crisis, all asset classes are suddenly highly correlated in a rush to liquidity.
Bugpowder: also treasuries are pretty dangerous right now
unbalanced_: Bug, re your ideas for the fiat portfolio yesterday, have you considered sticking to options on other asset classes rather than EFTs / funds / stocks? E.g. 80-90% treasuries 10%-20% at risk in 10-40 small longshot speculations per year?
kakobrekla: but imho this should be concireder
kakobrekla: bottom was 0.2 and it picked up from there rather quickly
kakobrekla: even with the block reward halving
kakobrekla: but that means half a year or so
kakobrekla: which i expect to slowly getting lower since asic
kakobrekla: 0.2 was the bottom support
kakobrekla: im saying so far in these years
Bugpowder: which is basically the price when the bubble started to inflate
Bugpowder: well I would say, 16.1212 is the bottom
ThickAsThieves: they previewed their new usb miner
kakobrekla: at the current diff the bottom would be 50 (0.2 mhash per 100 around)
thestringpuller: What's the deal with ASICMINER did they announce new divs?
kakobrekla: and that chart uses weighted daily price
thestringpuller: so its about 6 times lostt in value
Bugpowder: what is the baseline
kakobrekla: Bugpowder, speaking of bubble, imho this one was 4times smaller
Bugpowder: usually a good idea to buy at .0006
thestringpuller: do you think bondholders are going to keep their money this time lol?
thestringpuller: yea that was pretty low
Bugpowder: mp turned the S.MPOE buying bot back on ;-)
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: why do you think MPOE stock is skyrocketing today?
error4733: time will say ;) we just need a good news, that it
Bugpowder: now its going to get tougher for a while
Bugpowder: Making money was easy on the way up the bubble
thestringpuller: If I were a hedgefund manager and saw all this news I would rush to btc world due to lack of regulation.
thestringpuller: Yea but what if that never occurs because someone arrives to the game.
Bugpowder: you want to buy the bottom
Bugpowder: I think it will get cheaper though
thestringpuller: If someone competent arrives to the game the price will rise again
thestringpuller: Bugpowder: the times change though. 100 could be the actual price
error4733: he'll be happy to read you
Bugpowder: I have bids starting at 52 and going down to 13.
Bugpowder: on the 3 year timescale, positive
Bugpowder: My feeling is that the EV on the 3 month timescale, if you were long BTC at this price, is negative
Bugpowder: happens every time
Bugpowder: yes but similar patterns happen all the time
error4733: same crash but totally different context
Bugpowder: I don't really have a great idea of where its going, but the past bubble pattern has me worried
Bugpowder: not a lot of confidence there :)
error4733: yes i saw this pic...
Bugpowder: I mean, my deep analysis is based on lining up the last bubble chart to this one
ThickAsThieves: last night someone was maintaining a 7k btc floor for a long time
Bugpowder: wobble around 100, then a slow fade over the next 2 months
Bugpowder: 30 is a 3 month price target
Bugpowder: quote the $100 prognositc
ThickAsThieves: i'm thinking a rally tonight and tomorrow
error4733: i quote the 30$ pronostic
ThickAsThieves: Bugpowder whatchoo think about current price
ThickAsThieves: and now there is way less getting mined
gribble: There are currently 44183451 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 14395071.0479 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0215 seconds
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thestringpuller: ;;seen ThickAsThieves
b0n1: ;;eightball can we trust mtgox ?
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
error4733: ;;eightball can we trust bitcoin-central ?
b0n1: i think so
KRS1: do u have the gems u need
error4733: with the secuity breach, maybe githud is not updated yet
error4733: my guess is they change a lot last week
b0n1: it works all find at first and get the url for the authorization code, on token.get i get an empty boday
b0n1: KRS1, directly under Full usage example i used the ruby gem code
error4733: dunno, but speculate on mtgox improvement before they happen is just... useless!?
b0n1: KRS1, i look at the official API doc from the homepage of bitcoin central
TheMonarchTx: or do you only need to verify to withdraw funds?
TheMonarchTx: do accounts need to be verified before they can send API calls?
error4733: same % of new account provide paper for verifiaction, that what they say when some ppl ask the same question as you !
error4733: bitcoin-central ? try bitcoinica !