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orkaa: shouldn't matter where
they came from
mircea_popescu: current day egyptians are
turkish stock (short, stocky, black curly hair)
gribble: \*AWAY UNTIL April 28\* resistance: 132, 136, 138-140 | support: 120, 115, 110, 100, 90 | lower buy
targets: 102, 96-100, 86 | updated by OneFixt at Apr 21 2013, 18:00 UTC (
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mircea_popescu: this is like egypt. classically egyptians were
tall,
thin nosed, fair haired people.
orkaa: Historically,
the
term was used for many people from
these regions, without regard necessarily
to skin
tone.
orkaa: let me check
the wiki page :)
mircea_popescu: tho
the argument is kinda misplaced. caucasian !=== white.
jcpham: maybe not
to everyone else
jcpham: the conspiracy would stem from
the
two of you combining your opinions
jcpham: i can see
that but like i said, what do you value his data or his opinions
jcpham: well if we're
talking about compensation, I wouldn't suggest paying for bad data...
jcpham: if he were providing a forecast or something i
think it's a lot more questionable
that paying for a data report
jcpham: if you pay him for opinion it is one
thing, but paying for reporting is another
jcpham: he work
that dooglas does, does it involve his opinions or is he simply formulating data
jcpham: keep
this in mind, if you will
mircea_popescu: and people doing useful shit will just get
trhe added insult.
jcpham: i see
the problem. but
the irl solution is just as immoral
mircea_popescu: so
then
those with better marketing skills will get paid
jcpham: he work isn't lobbied for
to your liking
jcpham: those who see value in his work should dnoate or contribute
to an organization
that pays him
mircea_popescu: any guy who figures he can somehow elbow people into sending donations which he can
then uyse as working capital for some other venture ?
jcpham: and pay him from
that?
mircea_popescu: "At any rate, I would like
to humbly solicit
the best and brightest minds of our generation
to consider
this problem"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla im not sure
things work
that way. good scamzors are hard
to detect anyway. bad ones are bad anyway
kakobrekla: im
thinking now, publishing best practices like
that would only make scamzors a bit harder
to detect
kakobrekla: maybe MJR_ can
tell him "no skateboards"
kakobrekla: >If you want
to be a defacto regulatory, at least come up with sensible regulations.
kakobrekla: gotta calm
the skin with lcd backlight.
mircea_popescu: and how
the 500th iteration of a failed idea is going
to yield results simply because he doesn't know of
the other 499
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i imagine he's going
to show us all how stoopid we really are
pgp: trust is hard won in
the bitcoin arena...
mod6: i basically just end up hording btc since or sending
them
to use on MPEx since
the
trust level with just about everything else in
this space is
too great
to bear.
mod6: i seriously do... i've had
to navigate
through all of
these scams since
the old days. i only got scammed, so far, by
tor-wallet which was idiot
to use anyway. Lost like 5 BTC on
them.
mod6: I figured it was worth a
try
to see how it goes. So far, I'm satisfied with
the service. Will let you guys know how it ends up.
mod6: i guess i have scammer ptsd from all of
this bitcoin stuff.
There have been some ugly public fights about stuff in
the past with
them. But I've been
talkin
to coingenuity for a long
time on irc and looking at
the coinabul site a lot but never made a purchse.
mircea_popescu: and now is focusing on coinapult which is not related
to coinabul.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla afaik erik was with bitpay
team but
they parted amicably
mod6: So far I haven't had any issues or heard
the anything like
the guy on btctalk.
mod6: I placed 2 orders on
the 9th, one for silver one for gold. I received my silver order by
the 15th. My gold order is still in processing. Orders were < 2 BTC each. I was pretty happy with receving my silver order so I gave
them a rating of 2.
kakobrekla: >and we're glad it happened
to us instead of a normal user
kakobrekla: >.
This is
the kind of one-in-a-million occurance
that happens when using cutting edge systems like Bitcoin,
jborkl_: Well,
they can not fufill orders when price crashes- shorting a order $30 - you made good on 21000 BTC
jborkl_: and
that was a real amount of money
jborkl_: Think how
that would have gone for you MP, last month when
the bot got raped
mircea_popescu: indian giver = person who gives
then
tries
to get it back :D
zebedee_: Not sure what
that is. Just
thought it was a cool way
to introduce btc
to people. Only gave
them
to people who have added value
to my life in some way or other.
zebedee_: Trying
to
think of devious ways
to swap a version 2 for a version 1 with
the people I gave
them away
to :)
zebedee_: I bought about 30-40 version ones, with
the bad hologram. Gave all away apart from 3, when I saw what
they were going for :)
zebedee_: No. Writing my own bitcoin stuff in C
though, but just for fun and
to understand it better.
zebedee_: OK,
thanks. I used
to use offline electrum but have moved
to paper wallets a-la casascius.
mircea_popescu: basically my
tech ppl pick up some open software and rewrite it.
zebedee_: OK. What do you do personally if you don't mind my asking?Which client do you use, or do you do your own
thing with private keys etc?
mircea_popescu: not risk per se, just, bitbet is a valuable business publicly owned, its internals may be discussed up
to a certain - arbitrary - point.
zebedee_: Sure. Just was curious about
the
tech of
the offline wallet, as I've been dealing with such issues in a personal capacity myself. If you don't want
to say anything fair enough,
though I don't really see what risk
that might expose you
to.
mircea_popescu: all i'm going
to say is
that bitbet server holds less
than 10 btc at all
times.
zebedee_: Thanks. I'm curious - how do you handle your wallet?Do you pregenerate
thousands of addresses in and store
them in a DB somewhere?
mircea_popescu: furthermore,
trying
to game it
this way exposes you
to
the following risk : if your bet doesn't make it into a block before bet is closed
mircea_popescu: if you look you will ocasionalyl see "refund" on
the bet list.
mircea_popescu: zebedee_ no, for
two reasons. one is
that bets coming in after
the fact are refunded
zebedee_: OK because people can game
that if
they bet just as, or immediately after, it's "happened".
mircea_popescu: there are however bets which only resolve on
their stated date, regardless.
this is obvious from
the wording
mircea_popescu: if
the stated resolution is close
the bet is resolved now or
then, depending on load.
mircea_popescu: there's
two loose cases here. if
the stated resolution is far off (ie, more
than a week), and
the bet is clearly satisfied
then
the bet is paid off now.
zebedee_: One more: what is your policy for bets which are determined before
they expire? e.g. suppose it's a bet about BTC going above X USD by end 2013 and it happens
tomorrow. Do you pay out
tomorrow, or what?
zebedee_: mircea_popescu: No I
think you're right,
thanks.
mircea_popescu: Every bettor on
the winning side will receive as follows : 99% of his original bet sum (1% goes
to BitBet.us) plus 99% of his bet
times
the
total bet by
the losing side multiplied by
the winning side
total weight and divided by his bet's
total weight.
zebedee_: None of
this BFL vague bet shit.
mircea_popescu: zebedee_ you get
that weight no matter what you bet. it's your bet *
that weight.
zebedee_: But if I bet 1 BTC I get
that weight?
That makes it per BTC.
mircea_popescu: so i get what you ask now. yes it's per btc in
the sense gravity is per kilogram.
zebedee_: Although it may be obvious, I don't believe
that's explicit anywhere.
zebedee_: mircea_popescu: Right, so my
total weight if I bet 2 BTC is
twice what it is if I bet 1 BTC?
mircea_popescu: zebedee_ i'm not sure how you mean ?
the weight is just a factor.
zebedee_: mircea_popescu: For bitbet.us,
the weight is for a 1 BTC bet I assume (i.e. proportional
to size)? I might have missed something but
this doesn't seem
to be explained in
the FAQ.
Scrat: (provided
that you're
talking about
the forum)
bowjob: and it adjusts it automatically for
them