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seongyupyoo: it will be distributed to active traders
mircea_popescu: sent to 10000000000000we ?
seongyupyoo: yes, i won't be keeping in in the near future
mircea_popescu: how is the destruction actually implemented ?
asciilifeform: seongyupyoo: using the word "destroy" when the BTC ends up in your pocket is disingenuous
mircea_popescu: ie, your own software does this ?
mircea_popescu: yes but i mean... this is all handled at the website level ?
mircea_popescu: how do you implement this ?
seongyupyoo: when one decides to destroy, all risked funds get destroyed including your own
mircea_popescu: what about the byzantine problem ? ie, we both satisfy trade, i wait for him to release and then
seongyupyoo: you would not be making a 100 btc sale offer i don't think ever
mircea_popescu: seongyupyoo atm just trying to understand the system in my head.
seongyupyoo: why what do you think might be better?
mircea_popescu: so i would need to make a new offer basically ?
seongyupyoo: in that case, he or you can make an offer for 1.5 for certain amount, and you should require both risking 3
mircea_popescu: can we deal or does he have to do 100 specifically ?
mircea_popescu: someone wants to buy just 1.5
mircea_popescu: suppose i want to sell 100 btc.
seongyupyoo: i was thinking there won't be any
seongyupyoo: i don't think there is anything that can be done about those types of people who don't mind just throwing away money for kicks
asciilifeform: NashX seems like a pretty good idea. It reminds me of my "Shitcoin" proposal (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=988). The real problem is that the "destruction" isn't real destruction - somebody ends up with the BTC. Moral hazard.
topace: yea, a few days of bad luck can bankrupt a small pool that doesnt have a good float
BTCOxygen: It was a bug that never sent in blocks to bitcoind which is fixed now.
seongyupyoo: you understand both parties of the trade risk same amount going into a deal?
BTCOxygen: topace: Yes, Also the mining server was not funtioning correctly at that time.
mircea_popescu: say I just make a deal in order to destroy opm. just for the kicks.
topace: and didnt have a "float" to cover bad luck
mircea_popescu: one major question is how do you deal with trolls ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nashx.com/about i think
kakobrekla: which idea is that
mircea_popescu: seongyupyoo so we were discussing your idea earlier, the nashx
mircea_popescu: topace you mined on his pool yet he didn't have the btc ?! odd. anyway, thanks.
seongyupyoo: is mircea here? I got a tweet from him asking to join this chatroom about nashx
topace: mircea_popescu: not really secret, i started mining with btcoxygen when he first started to help "test" his site... I asked for payment on the account from the hashes i contributed, but he didnt have the btc, so he's paying me slowly as he can.
kakobrekla: yes, this is dog.
BTCOxygen: topace: Do you want to invest those into Our Project ?
KRS-1: mp: you always have such great ways of putting things lol nice
mircea_popescu: your wealth is, much like your mistress, always ready to ditch you if you suck.
mircea_popescu: i prefer to express that idea in the terms of the converse perspective.
asciilifeform: "You are fair game for hustlers who understand your wealth better than you do."
mod6: these damn vsphere instances dont have any one-way hash bins on the local fs :/ -- openssl to the rescue ftw
mod6: holy shit i always forget that you can use `openssl dgst`
mircea_popescu: no, pirate was just a guy trying to leverage "lot of trust" into "give me money", with no businessm odel.
kakobrekla: dropped the bag.
BTCOxygen: kakobrekla: Still the ROI is very good on this.
BTCOxygen: I will be the second investor.... lol
BTCOxygen: kakobrekla: I will put my funds into this once I see some interest.
mircea_popescu: well he got the idea...
kakobrekla: so you are putting down 0 of your own funds for this
BTCOxygen: Was testing that.
BTCOxygen: kakobrekla: That was sent to my offline wallet.
mircea_popescu: i think the skepsidyne integrated node is pretty much the obligatory blueprint for all such pooled mining farm ventures.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, people still chose to pocket the investor's hardware.
mircea_popescu: there was some marginal business sense in the old gpu days, because running a large gpu farm was non trivial
asciilifeform: "The miser pays twice."
mircea_popescu: people who can't aren't numerous enough to make anything of the sort you're contemplatin workable.
asciilifeform: Somehow, all the ASIC "shares" schemes remind me of American chumps buying refrigerators on installment plans, with the payments totalling to the cost of a car.
mircea_popescu: this mining farm thing doesn't work. people who can afford asics can just get them
BTCOxygen: kakobrekla: Thats done for testing purpose.
BTCOxygen: And have been in the bitcoin community for a long time.
mircea_popescu: pretty much not one single attempt to date worked out.
mircea_popescu: before you ask : offering to buy mining gear with opm is scammy by definition.
mircea_popescu: BTCOxygen in general people presenting themselves with a scammy nonsense thing tend to not be in the wot.
BTCOxygen: But read the Why trust us part on our thread.
BTCOxygen: mircea_popescu: I Have not done much trading on OTC.
mircea_popescu: now that's a first./
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BTCOxygen: KRS-1: If there was Batch 4 It would be 75 BTC per unit.
BTCOxygen: Still with the re-investment plan the ROI is still above ~100% annually.
BTCOxygen: KRS-1: The costs on our plan are similar to Batch #3 Avalon
BTCOxygen: KRS-1: Management fee has been reduced to 10%
KRS-1: BTCOxygen: I read your business plan if thats what it was- I don't see how investing with you can net more profits than if I bought some of my own units from Avalon batch 4 if there is a batch 4..considering management and Dev costs
mircea_popescu: so this is what they do with the milk!
kakobrekla: love the meta debate https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187378.msg1941436#msg1941436
BTCOxygen: topace: 200% annual return is not bad tho.
kakobrekla: lol the original bitcoin-central announce ended with "We'll be back, also skateboards."
lippoper: great stuff in there, but it seems out of date
lippoper: mircea, that article you linked me to is almost a month old
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: AFAIK no, hence the shortage.
mircea_popescu: they still make that ?~!
mircea_popescu: they can't because there's a shortage of fans
topace: that will let them ship next week
topace: right, ill get right on that
asciilifeform: topace: you will need a reflow oven, though. (make your own.)
asciilifeform: topace: the only sane place to get FPGAs is eBay or the equivalent. $100, instead of paying $XX,XXX for the same chip, because of "intellectual property" crapola.
gribble: There are currently 57729608 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 19687676.0833 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0139 seconds
asciilifeform: $xxxx for ASIC; enjoying the same BTC yield as a cheap GPU today when every other chump has bought an ASIC: priceless.
topace: yea someone go visit them and see if they are real
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wanna drive there ?
topace: heh $2795 for the FPGA, with "vouchers for up to $2000 off of any jupiter purchase"
topace: at retail, the fpga chips from alterra are $$15k
ThickAsThieves: i imagine any job like that comes with a notable chance you;ll end up killed by your own too
asciilifeform: At least, if you're somewhere above the bottom foot-soldier level.
asciilifeform: I imagine that working for Blackwater is less like being a normal whore and more like being the king's expensive mistress.
KRS-1: yep ..i dated a dancer or two in my time..they're fun but not worth the aggrivation most of the time
ThickAsThieves: so they may prefer johns that look like good lays?
mircea_popescu: whores are people too, they have their tickle spots, their likes, etc
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves depends. it may be the coke, sure, but more often than not it's quite animalic.
asciilifeform: The U.S. money printer can buy you all the coke you could dream of.
ThickAsThieves: i know nothing of whores, but i'd assume they, like many, want the easiest work for the most pay