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jurov: but who'll bother explaining
to
them?
mircea_popescu: there's nothing
to help. all you can do is "learn
this!" as an absolute imperative.
jurov: punishment works if kids know what
they are punished for
mircea_popescu: you can't expect
them
to self-motivate. if
they had enough of a clue as
to what's what
they wouldn't need school.
mircea_popescu: the problem kids face, especially while small, is
that
they have no clue.
that's why
they're in school,
to figure shit out.
ThickAsThieves: and you cant solve it by resorting
to
the lowest common denominator either
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well... you can't improve it
the way you broke it i
think.
ThickAsThieves: to say somehting is not absolutely solvable,
therefore why imrove it
jurov: where we left
the saying you can't make horse drink ?
mircea_popescu: jurov punishment only works if
the punished literally perceives
there is no alternative and his life is forfeit.
ThickAsThieves: its not hard
to prove
that beating someone gets
them
to do what you want...
jurov: there certainly is research about punishment
to performance. on better statistical sample
than mircea's
ThickAsThieves: also, we already require
too much parenting by
teachers
mircea_popescu: until you're optimal for it. not
the other fucking way around.
ThickAsThieves: when i was in school i was smart enough
to know i was not being
taught
the way
that suited me
ThickAsThieves: so
the money goes
to determining better ways and
things
to educate
mircea_popescu: "because if you don't i'll fucking beat you
to death" is an excellent answer.
mircea_popescu: listen, it's very simple. kid
today as 5000 years ago has
to answer a simple question : why
the fuck am i learning all
this ?
ThickAsThieves: there are many ways
to
throw money at education
the dont work
jurov: no, but
they did on literacy/math skills
ThickAsThieves: i am skeptical
the money cannot be used
to improve american education
jurov: mircea_popescu does any research at least marginally confirm
this?
mircea_popescu: that doesn't
take money,
that
takes
the will
to do so.
mircea_popescu: the only way
to do it is if you
take
the urban poor, beat
them and starve
them.
ThickAsThieves: god forbid
they put
the money into improving education
mircea_popescu: they implement govt policy, handle
the herd, get some
trimmings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the us employers are forced into being a sort of government subsidiary.
ThickAsThieves: can we get a picture of you
taking a picture of you
taking a picture of yourself?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hmm... i
think i wrote an article about altman recently
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
they only
test
them at
the workplace cause
that's
the food dispenser.
mircea_popescu: here's
the
thing :
there's always going
to be a class of people who need
to be
told how
to live.
ThickAsThieves: i also find it
to be in contrast
to
the current republican agenda
mircea_popescu: it's catch-22. allowing idiots
to use drugs is certainly going
to lead
to
this business-enforced drug policy. because it's cheaper
to pay crackheads and who
the fuck cares
they die in five years, all
the better.
ThickAsThieves: how about a anthropological or philosophical perspective
then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dunno about
that
theory rly. burning man is all about showing off how poor and happy you are
mircea_popescu: jurov was
this your conference
thing you were going
to ?
jurov: but had
to wait for libertard who expounded for hour and a half
jurov: like yesterday. i had nice
talk about how
to be safe in bitcoinland and about all
the heists
jurov: perhaps everyone aho should be
thinking about practical security is jerking off about
taxes and welfare???
jurov: don't
tell me nobody other can
think about such
things????
jurov: and
the port 80 problem can be solver by using another port and
telling cloudflare
to use it
joecool: jurov:
that's about
the best way
to look at it,
the muddy middleground always ends up bad
jurov: as soon as you want
to assess welfare recipient eligibility, you sow
the seeds of potentially unbounded bureaucracy
MJR_: ThickAsThieves: i
think its abhorrent, but most people would say
that
the issue is not drugs but rather welfare...that is where
the issues mix, what does drugs have
to do with welfare? (you could argue
that one leads
to
the other, but i
think
that is a simplistic, facile argument)
MJR_: jurov:
that is a great idea...i like
the idea of remining coins
MJR_: since
they will also be accepting public assistance, we want
to make sure
they won't spend it on drugs!
MJR_: however, i
think
that
they should do
this
to any ceo or board member of a company
that needs a bailout
MJR_: but, if i had
to guess, why are we giving
them anything drug
test or not...do drugs all you want and support yourself...
gribble: MtGox lag is 0.517559 seconds. During
this
time, light
travels 0.00103718244112 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin
to
the other side of
the Earth, along
the surface (0.0001339 AU).
MJR_: ThickAsThieves: YES, i am curious
too
ThickAsThieves: mp I am interested
to know what you
think about Gov Rick Scott, FL, wanting welfare recipients
to
take and pass drug
tests
to qualify
jurov: seongyupyoo, what about sending
the btc
to *minable* blackhole and publish
the challenge?
mircea_popescu: while one Silicon Valley lawyer wrote in
the California legal publication
The Recorder
that PayPal was an ideal money laundering mechanism for "drug dealers and domestic
terrorists,"
jimbo2k: is
there a way
to short bitcoins?
jurov: i like
that plan, what do you say?
jurov: reading it all up... i
thing i got a plan
to boycott mpex.
ThickAsThieves: [15:01] <+Rav3n> ;;8ball does
that mean I'm gonna lose big
time?
mod6: my guess is
that
the OIX return
to its normal state of
tracking pricing via options once
the book rolls over for next month. every since
the correction on
the 10th it's been pretty minimal for options.
mod6: and
today is options expiration
MJR_: whats up with
the OIX?
MJR_: pgp is more important, but i
think stunnel is good protection from ddos
Scrat: even better, have a stunnel on
the smtp machine
that points
to it
Scrat: also, prettu sure most SMTPd's can remove
the from IP
topace: yes, i would send
through my business mail server (mail.lightbox.org)