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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
this includes most researchers you know ?!
kakobrekla: jurov my belifs are
that is not
the case! urlpls mircea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't believe
that separation is a matter of fact.
jurov: typical #assets .. everyone
talking about
themselves and
their beliefs, just mircea about sex
gribble: MtGox lag is 118.574281 seconds. During
this
time, light
travels 0.2376215315 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at
their closest approach (0.254 AU).
MJR_: i figured out package management...and all
the other
things,
to get what i wanted
MJR_: i figured out how
to use *nix systems because i didn't have a computer and wanted my iphone
to do everything a computer could do
MJR_: i usually find
that i learn
the MOST when i have
to solve a problem...no problems, no learning
MJR_: this is
the non altruistic argument for why education is important for all
mircea_popescu: i don't
think you can safely identify someone
that way.
MJR_: because
that negatively impacts MY quality of life
MJR_: but
they should not be complete retards
MJR_: they don't have
to be geniuses
MJR_: point is, i want
the person at mcdonalds
to know
the difference between "only lettuce,
tomato and ketchup" and "no mustard, onions or pickles"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at
the risk of sounding insufficiently misanthropic, i beg
to differ.
punkman: well assumptions don't last long when you actually have
to go
to work
MJR_: so if you
take focus away from what school you went
to etc, and on WHAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW
MJR_: think of it
this way, if schools produce education, i can go
to one, and rely on
the fact
that i will be assumed
to be educated
MJR_: its
the biggest example of
the free rider problem ever
ThickAsThieves: as a species we are capable of absolutely anything, it's just a matter of when we decide
to do so
MJR_: not because you want others
to give you credit for having attended a school and paying
tuition
MJR_: point is, you have
to learn because you want
to know
ThickAsThieves: i'm saying we need
to at least figure out how
to figure out improving education
mircea_popescu: very weak society, one
that wants
the benefit but doesn't enjoy
the labour.
MJR_: nowadays you go
to school so you can say you went
to school
MJR_: wanting
the benefits without
the actual work
MJR_: that is paying lip service
to education
MJR_: but when parents basically have
the attitude of 'not my problem' or "just play along
till you get out of school"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well i
thouight we're discussing statistics.
MJR_: you want education, you have
to value education
mircea_popescu: but americans are disused.
they will need
to re-learn
the hard way
mircea_popescu: problem is, cultures which have
this ethos don't need
the pathos
punkman: saturday school? fuck
that
mircea_popescu: ya but
the problem is
there's no way
to value education w/o
the markings on your ass.
mircea_popescu: notice
that you pose false questions.
the us govt has absolutely no choice on who and what
to spend.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves
the unions have a great idea on
the subject.
mircea_popescu: by now it's some gang leader guy, with
the charisma and
the requisite qualities.
mircea_popescu: kids learn from whoever
they respect. in
the 1850s
that was
the
teacher.
MJR_: they do not have
the choice
to NOT be good at math
MJR_: when people say
that asians are good at math...its cuz
their parents make
them good at math
MJR_: its cultural...and hopefully changing for
the better
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves my idea was
that
the reason us edsucation is fucked atm is exactly
the misuse of money.
ThickAsThieves: yes but you maintain
that money cannot be used
to improve
the overall education level of
the US, no?
MJR_: if it is necessary,
there are
two paths
MJR_: well,
take 3 steps back...is learning necessary? not always
mircea_popescu: jurov im just saying,
this is
the way
things'd work absolutely.
that it's not implementable... not my problem :D
jurov: you don't seem
to have any other solution
MJR_: i learn without
threat
jurov: mircea_popescu: do
tell, and how many of
teachers/parents can actually do it properly?
mircea_popescu: jurov shockingly obedience is very easy
to unlearn if you're
trained properly
mircea_popescu: there's
this VERY grim undercurrent in education people never wish
to face.
MJR_: eh, you learn if you want
to learn
mircea_popescu: at some point you either beg
to be allowed
to learn it
gribble: MtGox lag is 50.300903 seconds. During
this
time, light
travels 0.100802446415 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin
ten
times between Saturn and
Titan (0.0802 AU).
jurov: some other
things i knew i did not need, i did not learn
jurov: if
they just
threatened
to pulp me if i don't learn...
then i;m not sure i'd really learn
mircea_popescu: MJR_ for
that matter, people keep going "o, i dunno what good a philosophy degree would be IRL"
ThickAsThieves: yet i got a job
that involved it and
took
to it quickly
MJR_: yeah,
that makes sense...kids (and many other people in society) won't understand why
things are necesssary....that's why you say because i
told you so
ThickAsThieves: i remember i had
this huge mental block learning geometry
mircea_popescu: the recent method of i dunno wtf it is... has kids... not able
to multiply.
mircea_popescu: age honored way is
to go "either you learn
this or i mash you into a pulp"
mircea_popescu: but explain
this
to me. kid's nine. he should be learning multiplication
table. how does
that get done ?
ThickAsThieves: we cant make an increasingly complex society without
taking responsibility for ushering people into it