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mircea_popescu: guy's work would have greatly benefited of his having a log, where he could reference it properly to itself.
mircea_popescu: and they have to constantly, painfully, slowly, humiliatingly be beaten down with a large stick.
mircea_popescu: yeah but it's a pretty mixed bag once he goes into discussion of it.
asciilifeform: naggum's observation that it was a largely mindless 'protest' movement remains correct.
mircea_popescu: it's true foss died ; for which reason it carries little water here. but the frustration is a) the inability of foss to maintain strong immutability in front of organised crime, be it usg or otherwise ; b) the part where it can't actually move is valid, but not exactly for the reason he describes.
mircea_popescu: "I think Free Software and Open Source addicts will get down from their current high and become tremendously frustrated when the obvious problem of having millions of pieces of source code available and they actually can't move in any direction because the ability to make modifications that they have so lauded in the past turn into a very serious problem when much bigger problems require modifications to much larger systems t
mircea_popescu: read in a charitable light, his point can perhaps be salvaged wrt lisp/unix.
asciilifeform: at a certain point the heathen emacs surrendered.
asciilifeform: confiscated emacs, essentially, for a good while.
asciilifeform: this is not a seekrit.
asciilifeform: even regardless of whether demand comes with a stack of cash that reaches to pluto.
asciilifeform: as described in his cpp chronicles. he largely quit programming for a good while, because disagreed with the use of the abomination.
mircea_popescu: it is a problem BECAUSE I AM THE BOSS OF YOU ; NOT YOU THE BOSS OF ME.
mircea_popescu: "|I don't see why anyone would insist on a way to do things that does not solves the real problem, but rather solve an ancilliary problem that is a problem only because someone is very stubborn." << the political ineptidude of these people.
mircea_popescu: also need a proper sized jade piece, which is rarer the bigger it gets.
asciilifeform: ( a practice i suggest to refer to as 'shremming')
asciilifeform: 'The claimants in this case appeal from the district court’s entry of default judgment for the government in a civil forfeiture action against funds deposited in the claimants’ names in banks in New Zealand and Hong Kong. Default judgment was entered after the government successfully moved to disentitle the claimants from defending their claims to the defendant property under the federal fugitive disentitlement statute, 28 U.S.C.
asciilifeform: btw 'sphere in polyhedron' used to be a standard journeyman machinist exam.
asciilifeform: re: metallurgy, and 'design for manufacturability', i once heard a vintage, scratchy-record recording of old american engineering, if you will, folk song, where some quasiliterate rube is ruthlessly mocked, and chorus was something like 'triangular drills will drill all his square holes!'
mircea_popescu: there's a reason we have domestic sheep but not domestic mice
mircea_popescu: that, incidentally, is a good entry into "female, necessary, biological cowardice". what do you do confronted with losses ? wind down ? or pip up ?
mircea_popescu: no, it's a matter of volume.
mircea_popescu: in the end, material shortages decide a lot more than people like to think.
trinque: mircea_popescu: Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing computadors is no basis for a system of computing!
asciilifeform: it is not the designer's place to replace the metallurgist. but 'design for manufacturability', for instance, is a thing.
asciilifeform: because everybody 'i'm a genius and will pick the tower back up and insert hard ground under it because i am better than everyone who lived prior' etc.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the 'i will pick high-level abstractions and then, much later, find a low-level set that supports them well' is doomed. and leads to, e.g., urbit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the incomprehensible mists were him, not you. who the hell knows what's in the box of a guy who does such contradictory things as alf pointed out. i wouldn't risk much on the theory we share any mythology, and it's not even directly evident gabriel_laddel actually lives meaningfully related to the human condition.
gabriel_laddel: when your uncle runs a slaughterhouse.
gabriel_laddel: under what circumstances is it appropriate to open a deli?
phf: mircea_popescu: that point is consistently being driven home. in fact i got to talk lisp to a bunch of random people and had a very visceral experience of the gap. hathayogapradipika says to keep your yoga secret, i.e. don't be a incomprehensible myst. but sometimes i still get carried away. ~some~ people grok me though, even when i start speaking internal experiences.
asciilifeform: nor a linux-shaped hole.
asciilifeform: more relevantly , it ALSO does not have a c-compiler-shaped hole in it.
asciilifeform: and there is not a shortcut ladder into heaven that lets you 'save time' by 'using what you have' etc.
asciilifeform: 'sane computing' dun have a linux kernel or c compiler in it.
mircea_popescu: a point platon never quite groked, hence his terrible political failures.
asciilifeform: a kitchen with roaches, and kitchen with-roaches but at given instance in time they are behind closed cabinets and i cannot see them, are not the same item, even if 'functionally' the same from particular camera angle.
mircea_popescu: so you're a platonician then ?
phf: mircea_popescu: i think that it is shared between all designers, it's just that newbs have a very adhoc design space vision, it's better formed with experience
asciilifeform: what i see in his approach is a distinctly 15th c., hygiene-via-parfumery approach.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think asciilifeform and gabriel_laddel goals are very similar, combined together they'll produce an easy low complexity (but perhaps less glamorous) design space traversal path. gabriel_laddel doesn't see it, because he thinks that a certain stop on his path is "dirty" or somesuch, so he wants to avoid it altogether
mircea_popescu: phf the fundamental problem here is that you misuse words. "to resolve on the basis of" requires a basis, which is to say, something shared. whether right or wrong - i can resolve quantum physics disputes on the basis of coran suras if need be. yet your thing is "this is cool so should be basis". how cool it is has no bearing on how shared it is, you know ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: anyways, this is an ex-gf, looking for a new knife
asciilifeform: from my brief sojourn with thickasthieves in airplanes, for instance, i learned that he is a fella of considerably lower pressure, it appeared, than his wife.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519202 << it's kind of a pun, i think of systems design as landscape traversal. i think there are frequently paths, as is the case here, that hit multiple design goals and have lower overall complexity, better than a seemingly direct path, that has a hidden high complexity. abstract discussions about ideological goals, that don't take into account design space traversal can be resolved by actual taking ☝︎
asciilifeform: there is a concept, ad-hoc, i refer to as 'pressure', but there is quite likely a better and more specific name for it. e.g., mircea_popescu , walks into a village, and the menfolk line up in one column and the wimminfolk in another, the men - pick up rifles, and wait for order, the chix - get on knees, ready to pleez, etc.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I can assure you that the problem here is not me. 'dated' (for some value of that word) a 35 yr chinese woman who had zero hangups
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if answer is 'years' and it still won't eat, either 'not programmable, get a new one' or 'the bad dancer is hindered by own arse' (tm) (r) (iddish proverb)
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: an to the "cowardice" thing. girls who are afraid of eg, dropping lsd, but happily eat whatever the doctor hands them, inspite of a boy having them read, OUT LOUD various articles, research on the respective effects == cowards aor stupid.
mircea_popescu: that's part of the whole "o look, latinas in miami" lulz. if you're going to decide to go brunette, there's a shitload better options than fucking south america, and they come from the golden crescent.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the subtext there is "you're poor". i've known irani chicks, not exhibited such problems. perhaps their daddy being petrified of me a large factor.
asciilifeform: a win95 known as linux.
mircea_popescu: trinque> you'll actually get more useful work done if you take time to fix your life. << i support the notion. life's not a sprint but a marathon, and attempting to build anything serious on the very rotten shifty bases here described is not unlike trying to do clim in windows 95.
trinque: was never homeless, but it's a difference of degree.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-16 06:38 mircea_popescu: folding proteins for instance is essentially a search over a very large graph space
mircea_popescu: PeterL not a terrible plan.
gabriel_laddel: I had a girlfriend. was staying at her place when parents were out of town etc
PeterL: MP-in-my-head says: get a girlfriend and use her bank account
mircea_popescu: "they sure wouldn't have built this very versatile car, which they talk about a lot more than where they have used it and for what" << now this is fo sho valid criticism of the whole demographic.
gabriel_laddel: nothing is straightforwards when you don't have a bank account
mircea_popescu: well then that kinda work should eat through your 300 overdraft in a short time.
asciilifeform: thing sat on my shelf for a year, can sit moar.
mircea_popescu: a right, that works.
asciilifeform: spoken like a fella who never personally engineers anything.
mircea_popescu: there is no "bacterium that only" except in the masturbatory alt-reality, necessarily inexistent, secreted by overexcited virgins who lived in a basement.
asciilifeform: is the wall a 'lie' ?
mircea_popescu: you can run a buggy approximation thereof.
mircea_popescu: you're eschewing the question. "operator=me" has two options : a) not run the code ; b) run the code, giving whoever wrote it operator status.
mircea_popescu: what is so hard about this concept is that it is not a concept of wisdom but a concept of idiocy. which is to say, it does not belong in reality, but in the masturbatory alt-reality, necessarily inexistent, secreted by overexcited virgins who lived in a basement.
mircea_popescu: for the record, if a system had this sort of "semantic indirection" built in where any fuckwad could "redefine OPEN()" i'd burn it and piss on the ashes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naggum was, as you can probably tell, 'roman', or 'man of civilization', 'i'ma drown like a gentleman ! (tm) (r) (brit officer)' etc.
mircea_popescu: fuck her scrawny ass with a pineapple.
mircea_popescu: seems to me it's rather about how amphibious buldozers are unnecessary because her majesty's engineering corps may one day get around to building a road that goes where I WANT.
mircea_popescu: fuck you bitch, i DO NOT WANT to find a better way.
mircea_popescu: "find a better way to do what you want than shooting justice holman"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naggum's 'dynamism' is a very particular thing.
asciilifeform: 'only a lunatic would suggest that i part with z.'
mircea_popescu: yeah, it was part of a discussion of rms/foss/etc ineptitude.
asciilifeform: 'suppose you drive down the highway and you suddenly want to go some nice place you saw just before you pass a forest. you veer off the road, plunge into the wilderness and promptly decide that you need four-wheel drive, a huge cutting device in front of your car, much better shock absorbers, a bigger engine that could actually run on swamp water instead of getting all drowned, and then need an amphibious vehicle to get across the r ☟︎
phf: i wrote a loader for them though, and they load, eating up another 100mb or so
mircea_popescu: phf wait, how does this work ? i recall i sent you a batch, or was there a problem there ?
phf: but otherwise it's to the early days of b-a
asciilifeform: which is sad, because by this time he could have rebirthed himself with new key and worked long enough for new key to add up to a man
PeterL: ah, that was before B-A/Trilema split
mircea_popescu: actually no - not a command.
PeterL: maybe a command could be added to deedbot to return last time verifyed?
asciilifeform: but this? is a first, to me.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: it'll be shipped to a friend's place.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, he might use an older item with a peculiarly functional set of parts. standardization in hardware is kind-of iffy
mircea_popescu: a lenovo x60
mircea_popescu: was a whole thing re rms's supposed ideal machine.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: ty. asciilifeform: I think that the rotating screen is spiffy, and would love to stop carrying around a notepad + computer
asciilifeform: woz, broke in a ditch, made very little afaik.
mircea_popescu: note that the woz didn't make the ipad. so that theory lost a lot since 2002.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you mean, a bloke wandering around looking for a woz to bamboozle?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have serious trouble distinguishing him from a young steve jobs, at this point.
asciilifeform: i do not want a motherfucking 'desktop'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'most of x11 is unnecessary' is a 20 y.o. heresy, that ends up summing to 'let's do graphics the way microshit does' in all cases.
gabriel_laddel: exactly. which is why I write CLIM for a living
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i very much do not have a clear picture of what you're doing. other than the one fact that you seem to believe 'write directly to video ram' as 'viable replacement for x11'