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rikur: no like I said I just hope
that
they realy look into
the arguments properly and
take
their
time
to resolve it in a fair way
ThickAsThieves: it's not just up
to MP
tho, he has a crew
that decided
the resolution
kakobrekla: where you ordered it from and what you have read has nothing
to do with what
they stated
rikur: ThickAsThieves: nope, my argument is
that
the product page has never advertised wattage and I know
this since I've ordered from
them
twice.
ThickAsThieves: rikur, your only argument is
that
the bet does not state what date of advertisement would be used, and you already see where mp lies on
that
mircea_popescu: the problem would seem
to be you imagine much more
than you know.
rikur: mircea_popescu:
thanks, but I know my rights well enough
rikur: mircea_popescu: it only costs <300$ and I would win more bitcoins in
this case, so it would be worth a shot
ThickAsThieves: 3.
the action of making generally known; a calling
to
the attention of
the public
ThickAsThieves: 1. a paid announcement, as of goods for sale, in newspapers or magazines, on radio or
television, etc.
rikur: I might sue bitbet.us over
this for sure :)
rikur: ThickAsThieves:
they're
the ones
that eventually solve conflicts
rikur: ThickAsThieves:
that's not an an advertisement. Forum moderators claims/behaviour can't be used against a company in court.
mircea_popescu: as in, whoever put
the bets in
trying
to match whatever bfl was claiming at
the
time
mircea_popescu: "Power figures are +/- 10% of
those listed while we finish optimizing our power subsystem." <<
that's where
the 10% came from im pretty sure.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves rikur still
thinks
the web archive is valuable.
jborkl: well, it was supposed
to warm coffee also, it failed
there also
kakobrekla: rikur
they failed on so many levels you can just pick one favourite
jborkl: oh, I would have rear
the bet +- of 5gh or w\e
rikur: kakobrekla: size of a unit has nothing
to do with performance, don't be silly
mircea_popescu: i don't
think
they'd count as failed for overdelivering
mircea_popescu: jborkl
tbh,
the +-
there is
to be construed in
their favour. at least
this hash, no more
than
this wattage sort of
thing.
deadweasel: also, it should not crap out in
two weeks
time..
rikur: jborkl: wrong,
the advertised performance was with +-10% variance and
the bet said
that it has
to be +-10% of
that
jborkl: mircea_popescu, it is running at 5.8 -from very reliable sources - so
the bet is a fail
rikur: kakobrekla: has nothing
to do with performance
though :)
rikur: mircea_popescu: please show me a single product page link
that has wattage mentioned, from any date. If you don't have one, I
think
the April 4th link is valuable :)
kakobrekla: well you can see
the jalapeno went from 1 usb cable
rikur: That's
the oldest Jalopeno page on wayback machine, it's after
the bet but hey, it's better
than nothing. Do you have a product page
that has wattage mentioned anywhere? Didn't
think so :p
mircea_popescu: why does someone care about
the 4 april 2013 snapshot ?
rikur: ThickAsThieves:
those posts are from last year, when
the bet was created
the product page only advertised GH/s.
ThickAsThieves: also, rikur, it is not in your best interest
to rush bet resolution
ThickAsThieves: i do
think
them changing
the specs advertised is sneaky
rikur: But I hope whoever resolves it really goes
through
the arguments and doesn't just pick one on a whim
mircea_popescu: it's in
the screenshot and ffs everyone knows it already.
mircea_popescu: quite clearly stated on
their own forum. release specs : jalapeno 4.5 at 4.5 ; single 60 at 60 mini 1500 at 1500
rikur: ThickAsThieves: you apparently don't know how
the wayback machine works
mircea_popescu: fascinating what people are willing
to say for a dime
thi.
rikur: ThickAsThieves: just check
the internet archive
jborkl: the Jala is much faster
than specd and uses much more power
jborkl: but
to me it would be clear
that
the specs are failed for
the bet
ThickAsThieves: and how do we determine what date
the specs advertised were changed
mircea_popescu: well, since now bfl is not only a scammy piece of shit on all
the other counts,
rikur: ThickAsThieves: you can check
the internet archive for
the webby around
the
time
the bet was made, no difference at all IIRC
ThickAsThieves: does
that mean if specs were changed in
the advertisment before
the newer bets,
that
those specs will be referred
to?
mircea_popescu: i
think it was said a
thousand
times
that a. specs are hash and power and b.
the specs at
the
time of
the bet count
ThickAsThieves: however even if so, what's advertised now, is still
techincally meeting
the
terms of
the bet
text
ThickAsThieves: rikur, I could swear
that
there used
to be power specs on
the page, also
that
the advertised GHs used
to be higher for some products
dub: mircea_popescu:
this was 6 months or so back, I assumed
there was a
train wreck coming at
that point
rikur: ThickAsThieves:
the product page has never mentioned any wattage, just GH/s. I pre-ordered products
twice and never saw wattage mentioned anywhere, so if you ask me
the No voters are just coming up with excuses.
dub: mircea_popescu: I got a distinctly manic response from him when I asked his wife about
the legality of her internet bakery
jurov: fine
till you arrived
mircea_popescu: or
the fact
that bitcoin "businesses" and "infrastructure" are so shitty someone could end up with
the impression he's being
targetted
deadweasel: it's really
thick on
that post. somebody is using
too many drugs.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what's
the
take away.
the dazzling display of paranoia
ThickAsThieves: they do appear
to have shipped more
than just
testing units
rikur: I only have a small vote on
the May one :)
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated
to use
the rating system.
dub: I'm
the scam whisperer
ezdiy: so
to get in
the secret bitcoin market cabal one has
to sell out half of
the company, hmm
mircea_popescu: this makes a nice narrative. dwolla was created just
to ach money
through bitinstant before coinbase came about, all
the while being in cahoots with mtgox and btcjam.
mircea_popescu: The reason ZIGGAP is not currently up is because my competition has been selectively scamming me. You see
the following organizations are all ran by
the same group of organized crime and money launderers: