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asciilifeform: i have nfi
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i just had a crate of lafonde b00kz come in. these have got to be the worst-formatted and least dense printed matter i have ever purchased.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i always picture them as being reused for gulags.
pete_dushenski: bobby flay, that's the one i was thinking of
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 16:21 asciilifeform: i would happily live in a truck if the truck could be teleported into a parallel space with 0 people by push of a button.
asciilifeform: i suppose the difference is being covered by the mandatory blackmail material
asciilifeform: can't say that i have. simply that 800/h is not titanically selective of customers.
mats: looks like i read the old ver of the doc. see https://apps.fcc.gov/kdb/GetAttachment.html?id=zXtrctoj6zH7oNEOO6De6g%3D%3D&desc=594280%20D02%20U-NII%20Device%20Security%20v01r03&tracking_number=39498 for the new one if you wanna read
mats: too many revisions, and i don't think wrt54gl was available then
mats: i don't see the tendril at work here
mats: i'm reading the document and it doesn't explicitly say anything about the firmware
mats: i recall the issue being about power transmission
asciilifeform: mats: and the pigfuckers certainly don't want you and i turning the wifi chip into mesh network etc. ☟︎
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505520 << actually this might not be so bad idea. i.e. "internodal transport nomad" ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: i believe that you're familiar with this?
asciilifeform: trinque: i played the game, it had about the same relationship to rand as 'Der Giftpilz' has to judaism.
asciilifeform: the problem i was futilely stabbing away at is 'how to be independent of homo homini lupus est' ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: a city is, by definition, what i'd like to avoid.
trinque: I'd live there
asciilifeform: i will add that my interest in subj is not limited to the sea, but to all other environments which are hostile to 'normalpeoplewithfamilies' (as depicted in mircea_popescu's articles) yet have plenty of room to be 'lost' inside, and quite habitable with some amount of technological help
phf: i'd live on a sub, if it had those 1970s stage set rooms with giant windows through which you can observe underwater marine life, but which you can also close if you're being attacked by the establishment ☟︎
asciilifeform: (i suppose they do, if you're chingis khan, or mircea_popescu , etc. but not for the contemplated poorfag use case.)
thestringpuller: so i'm using suds with python. i'm looking at the package maintanence and the mailing list. anyhow when an opensource project dies, can you just be like "i'm forking this and doing it"
trinque: I admit I was googling solar yachts only yesterday
asciilifeform: mats: i never determined a hard minimum. but will note that most of the folk on a ww2 sub did things that would be mechanical/reasonably automatic today.
mats: asciilifeform: I read the thread but didn't see a number, what did you arrive at?
mircea_popescu: mats i like that!
asciilifeform: well, more that i am willing to ask 'how ~much~ piss would i need to drink so that...'
asciilifeform: i am not a tall fella but i did not fit in the cot in that museum-sub (it was largely unguarded and you could play with the contents)
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't drink that. not for a year.
mircea_popescu: i suppose you could not wash for an entire year, a la rms...
asciilifeform: i did the arithmetic.
asciilifeform: i can spell out the missing piece (thought it was obvious)
asciilifeform: incidentally i've learned that many folks in american east coast live in boats, but do it 100% in the marina. as a kind of enforced-whiteness trailer park.
trinque: but then, asciilifeform could gossipd from his water-tomb I'm sure, so there's that.
trinque: I suspect people who can't find *anyone* to tolerate of a sort of gabriel_laddelism, i.e. if I stay up for 48hrs on tab cola I can rewrite gentoo portage fastrrrr
mircea_popescu: note that i was talking to his thing!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:51 phf: and the problem he was trying to solve is a lot closer to what you want to achieve, i.e. put lab on water, rather than recreate the lifestyle of late 6th century pirate nomads or whatever
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505518 << strangely enough, none of the kids playing history (with the abundance their forefathers so imprudently assured them) realise that "hey, things are linked, a boat like this means i gotta sleep with a schmitar under pillow!" ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sphere.htm is all i could find, but the meat of the discussion was in a now-lost usenet post... )
mircea_popescu: i dun recall that essay ? do link then.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> possibly answer is, be small king. far away <<< this is quite lulzy, you know. "i want a center of a circle that's squarer and closer to the margin"
mircea_popescu: well, what can i tell ya.
asciilifeform: but do not see it demonstrated here that problem i posed has 0 roots.
asciilifeform: i agree.
mircea_popescu: the momeny you've defined your aim as "to exclude others", you have therefore and inseparably defined your goal as "i wish to be powerful lord"
asciilifeform: if the problem is posed as 'can i build a castle in which i can successfully stow a stolen princess every time', then yes, answer is 'be powerful'
asciilifeform: the actual question is 'how do i be left alone'
mircea_popescu: and understand - this is the fundamental boyishness here. "father, how should i be a powerful lord ?" "have many friends" "i'll just build a strong castle"
asciilifeform: incidentally monasteries are a weaker, land-based special case of the thing i am interested in.
asciilifeform: i suppose it would not be high quality monastery if we had a way to know...
mircea_popescu: i have no way to know.
mircea_popescu: i say this on the basis of actual experience, not as a matter of "i imagine boats sometime when i'm frustrated"
asciilifeform: so what would a sane approach to 'i wish to live with the company of other bipeds being wholly SELECTABLE', if not boat ? or mircea_popescu sees entire question as nuttery.
mircea_popescu: i'm not directing this at him. he is whatever, i dun care. but from YOUR perspective, he works practically as a scammer. you know how donner party ended up in the spot where they ate each other ?
mircea_popescu: actually, further - i think that attempts to solve it on those lines will cost the attempter his life and sanity for no benefit. in other words - i say orlov is a scammer.
mircea_popescu: i don't think trying to formulate it is madness ; i do think that the orlov formulation is ridiculous at best.
asciilifeform: but i say they are worth considering separately.
asciilifeform: well then let's concretize: no, i personally have 0 interest in being part of a mormon family. and yes, it means i live until first broken leg. maybe this is acceptable tradeoff from my pov.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 17:48 mircea_popescu: there's ONE thing the middle eastern guy has that white man can't replicate, and that is, a stable, and here i kid you not, a stable, of dozen+ pliable obedient females WITH offspring.
mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to dig the link now.
asciilifeform: i see the hypothetical machine as a pill against 'if yer poor you gotta live near other poor folks'
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sure this is that different from that.
mircea_popescu: but to my eyes, it;s more a case of "i want impossible item" "why ?" "because of strange notion" "Wouldn't it be cheaper to..." "fu demigod, it is true humanity to do the impossible ; takes demigod to accept the obvious!"
mircea_popescu: well, i suppose it could be.
asciilifeform: is this simply variation on familiar mircea_popescu program 'i am demigod and if somebody has a motivation i don't grasp, they are inconsequential sea slug and stfu' ?
asciilifeform: still not obvious, perhaps i'm thick
mircea_popescu: "i swear it came out by itself! i didn't even push! it has a mind of its own! let's call him gusti!"
asciilifeform: i must confess, this is a hard nut
asciilifeform: i would happily live in a truck if the truck could be teleported into a parallel space with 0 people by push of a button. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: EVEN IF i fucking armored it and added a thermoplonjon thing.
asciilifeform: not that i couldn't arrange it, but that it would not be accurate picture of ~purpose-designed~ capsule
asciilifeform: as a boy i very much wanted to.
mircea_popescu: "but i do" ?
asciilifeform: in the abstract sense of 'box in which i can weld myself in and survive for Y years'
asciilifeform: as i picture it, 'orlov's boat' is simply a lower-tech variation of the theme of 'mars dome'
asciilifeform: i dun see the link.
asciilifeform: incidentally i see 'quidnon' as a terrible design, and have no expectation that i will ever set foot in one.
mircea_popescu: no, no. on one hand, i see your approach to be fundamentally flawed, for lack of experience. this is a practical consideration. on the other hand, i suspect the flaw may not be accidental, but proceed from psychogenic cause, which is unclear to me.
asciilifeform: he sees it as a 'how can i make green a prime number' or the like.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't even conceptualize the problem i'd like solved as being a problem.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:48 asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu pisses on 'quidnon' for reasons which have nothing to do with hydrodynamics or metallurgy
asciilifeform: 'prisoner held incommunicado' is not same as 'i choose when i want to people and when not to'
phf: mircea_popescu: huh, i checked the plot and i was wrong, i was convinced that the protagonist was a lady
mircea_popescu: phf i have no recolection of this. testament to my interest in female anything aged 12, when i read jules verne.
asciilifeform: I HATE PEOPLE
asciilifeform: i did not spend any time on mars, either
asciilifeform: where would i ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i actually poked nose into the subj, so not entirely innocent of 'yacht is 1,01 types of machine' concept
mircea_popescu: i musta slept through this.
phf: i think ascii would benefit best from building Nautilus. spacious, has lab, has pet, mostly as away from humans as possible, can defend itself from government and pirates. an entirely imaginary device
trinque: could make sense. I'm a city creature.
asciilifeform: trinque: i would prefer to select simply by moving my house into international water and submerging.
asciilifeform: trinque: i pay the equivalent of a nice car every year for this selection.
asciilifeform: trinque: 'talk to anyone' i am happy to do. but a SELECTABLE 'anyone'.
asciilifeform: it is a qualitative jump, in cost AND repairability, and i have nfi why orlov ignored it.
asciilifeform: i would happily move into one RIGHT NOW if it meant that i could start accumulating escape money..
trinque: exactly what I said.
phf: and the problem he was trying to solve is a lot closer to what you want to achieve, i.e. put lab on water, rather than recreate the lifestyle of late 6th century pirate nomads or whatever ☟︎
phf: nah, there was that other guy who built a computerized nomadic boat house (i think he started with a computerized recumbent bike in the 80s) and unlike orlol he actually documented his process very extensively