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mod6: they say
that more people have
turned in
their US passports
this year
than in any other year in history.
mircea_popescu: soon
there's goping
to be all
this us persecuted intellectuals flocking
to
the russian embassy
optimator: oh geez, I just got sucked into
Tilde’s story
KRS-1: what was gox volume
this
time last year
KRS-1: I'm about
to go back
to forex
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, a relationship of
trust isn't a weakpoint per se. it can be a strongpoint.
mircea_popescu: trust is central
to society, and
to
the continuation of
teh species.
ThickAsThieves: TAT.ASICMINER just passed S.MPOE for all
time sales volume on BTCT.co
mircea_popescu: just because you're a shut-in doesn't mean
the world can work on your paradigm.
optimator: mircea_popescu: I agree your model works, but if, in my example, c does bad stuff - I don't
think you can
tell. You simple have
trusted others in
the chain
mircea_popescu: in general commerce has always worked on
the basis of reconciliation
optimator: asciilifeform: please we call it a haircut, don't refer
to
the customers as chumps
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you read
that excellent piece re base vs acid ?
mircea_popescu: you can
to
this day send orders
to mpex via proxies no matter how dirty.
mircea_popescu: optimator recently we've had some practical
testing of
this.
optimator: What is it does A->B->c->D and c is
the bad guy?
optimator: how about firmware signed with
their public key. I have
to
trust
they exchanged it with A who exchanged it with B
that finally gets
to me
mircea_popescu: the fact
that one can still hack banks
to
this day is proof enough
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't seem
to have much
trouble buying a computer
mircea_popescu: nobody promoted you
to
the job of wire central clearance house.
mircea_popescu: optimator if you
transfer money via wire you send it
to your bank with instructions
optimator: following
the example... if I want
to
transfer money via wire
to another bank,
then my bank establishes a relationship with bank b. I
trust
the key exchange has worked. Bank b is X+2. For X-n
the WoT breaks down
mircea_popescu: and
try
to inject
tyhem into
trade as combuders or w/e
mircea_popescu: the chinese may make plaster
things which on
the surface look like computers
mircea_popescu: these parties, factoring in all
their interests, and
that
the argument is simply a matter of degree: who should be given how much control, and by what mechanism."
mircea_popescu: "Participants in
the DRM debate implicitly hold
the view
that
the ownership of your operating system, your personal information, and your media is a complex, joint relationship between you, your operating system vendor,
the authors of
the applications you run, and
the owners of any media
that pass
through
that application. Prevailing wisdom is
that
the way any given software behaves should be jointly determined by all
mircea_popescu: optimator for some reason i don't see
the problem you see ?
mircea_popescu: you give
them yours
they give you
theirs as part of account opening
optimator: the further you are away from x+1
the less
trust you can have
optimator: mircea_popescu: yes, but all predicated on
trust - even WoT has issues scaling
mircea_popescu: optimator no but look,
the very notion of identity, ie,
the possibility
to distinguish X from Adam
optimator: mircea_popescu:
trust, you have
to start somewhere
mircea_popescu: anything pretending
to exist outside of a cryptographic identity is living in a state of sin.
mircea_popescu: the problem quite fundamentally is a pretense
to have identity outside of cryptography
dub: but..
thats where I spend it?
mircea_popescu: i guess in
the competition for "worst idea
to date"
they're all winners.
mircea_popescu: i mean when it was originally introduced it was like... fuck
this shit, nobody cares, it's for some blog.
mircea_popescu: actually
tbh
the "logged in" concept, rested on supposed sessionization of a stateless protocol is, imo,
the most ridiculous idea of mankind
to date.
optimator: asciilifeform: my vote for best laugh
tonight
mircea_popescu: i don't
think she actually understood before what sessions are and how
they work
mircea_popescu: anyway, as you say. mtgox does not
talk
to yubikey, it
talks
to
teh computor.
optimator: "If mircea
trusts me with BTC I cant be
too much of a fuckup." optimator wipes
tear
mircea_popescu: "Edit2: I was finally able
to log into my account and found an API key with full rights
to everything. I never made one, wtf does
this mean?"
optimator: assuming
the base has been compromised, or our you suggesting
the base could become compromised
through a virtualized OS