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mircea_popescu: anyway, tomorrow i'm inspecting a new girl so i need my sleep. take it easy all.
benkay: ah he wants to be put in touch with the supernodes then
mircea_popescu: originally i thought it must be some bitcoin dood.
mircea_popescu: unrelated : "Please read the attached business proposal and get back to me at your earliest convenience with your thoughts and reaction. Email me on: farouk.kazeem@syriaweb.net"
mircea_popescu: i got you on ignore that's why :D
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: I've been trying to reproduce the exact incompetence, for my simulated trader, with no success so far. tried every FP representation I could think of.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform "never assume malice when incompetence will do" is what they say about bitbet... i think it applies here better
Chaaaang-Noi: * Chaaang-Noi has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (odd)
asciilifeform: if this is a bug, it is a very clever bug.
benkay: or has first-to-market advantage ruined this space?
benkay: will we need to wait for a whole new generation?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: I do know this. what I was talking about is the stated multiplications being very slightly off, in their favor.
benkay: heaven forfend any of us actually try to balance our books ever
benkay: where would the fun in deterministic satoshi handling be?
kakobrekla: dunno what you have in mind but min fee there is 0.01 usd even if btc value for which the fee is for is less than that
asciilifeform: I wasn't talking about straight-out truncation or rounding
kakobrekla: asciilifeform bitstamp does that from 2nd decimal point
mircea_popescu: they're on floats aren't they ?
benkay: let me tell u bout these newfangled integers
asciilifeform: randomly, too
ThickAsThieves: that means they keep it?
asciilifeform: is this news? and does anyone give a shit?
asciilifeform: ok as far as I can tell both mtgox and btce are salami slicing in the 5th decimal point and down.
benkay: i try to get by on delivering value right now
mircea_popescu: it's what the wiggaz use.
mircea_popescu: never underestimate the power of bling
ThickAsThieves: just in case werewolves are the cause
benkay: 'cept the dang thing's useless
ThickAsThieves: how about this
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves for some reason that concept is hard to grasp.
ThickAsThieves: if shit hits the fan
asciilifeform: hearts should please the demurrage weirdos
ThickAsThieves: the theory of apocalyptic collapse is absurd imo
mircea_popescu: (presumably other than being stolen from you)
mircea_popescu: the theory is that "civilisation collapsed" and so now silver rounds are finally good for something
Chaaang-Noi: cbtc, oh yeah thats money, gold? lol!
mircea_popescu: i tell you. teeth.
mircea_popescu: and they're smaller, easier to carry and 32 of them
Chaaang-Noi: i find your guys reaction to gold and silver as a store of value very funny :) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you don't have to kill someone to take his teeth tho
asciilifeform: why not thighbones, then
mircea_popescu: for that matter, 19th century england was trying to create demand for silver by making 50lb silverware sets a sort of middle class standard
ThickAsThieves: but there are limited siamese twins too
Chaaang-Noi: gold bugs cant un derstand crypto, but honestly i thought crypto people would understand gold...
asciilifeform: by this logic, teeth are nothing compared to fresh, still-beating hearts.
mircea_popescu: silver is pretty much like seasalt, can make as much of the stuff as you can possibly ever want.
Chaaang-Noi: things are worth what people pay for them...
mircea_popescu: well, much like adult teeth, gold is finite.
ThickAsThieves: on that sense i dont think gold is a currency either
mircea_popescu: has this increased the value of teeth any ?
mircea_popescu: so there you go, teeth are the coin. problem solved.
mircea_popescu: you don't get proper ones till about 12 or so, and the owner always objects to having teeth pulled.
Chaaang-Noi: you guys, i think you are pretty ignorant about this and are not trolling, but if you are trolling you are doing a fine job :)
mircea_popescu: tell you wahjt, if i'm the boss of a tribe and i need a curtrency ima make teeth the currenyc. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what amuses me the most is this "silver is valuable cause it can work as currency" nonsense.
ThickAsThieves: dont you watch True Blood?
asciilifeform: Chaaang-Noi: the real question of our time is: how much lead one should hold.
ThickAsThieves: and i wished i had ridden that wave
mircea_popescu: this is like... all the gold that exists.
ThickAsThieves: other than when we hit recession and a bajillion We Buy Gold stores popped up
mircea_popescu: the world like 20k tonnes. in one year.
mircea_popescu: listen. in 2011 alone, mexico alone produced ~4500 tonnes of the stuff.
Chaaang-Noi: silver is not perfect but its smart to have 5 to 10 % of wealth in gold silver
ThickAsThieves: buying metals never made sense to me
Chaaang-Noi: just buying some back in, more than i ever had really
Chaaang-Noi: i bought most my silver at $7 and yeah i think its high
Chaaang-Noi: where did you get this 100x?
mircea_popescu: it goes from 5 to 50 and back and again with the folly of the crowds, over the decades and centuries.
mircea_popescu: it's just not scarce. what else is there ?
mircea_popescu: look. there's more than 100x as much silver available as gold. for every 6 dollars or so that silver goes up in price the production capacity doubles
mircea_popescu: ya well, romans ran scams too.
Chaaang-Noi: i have a roman coin that sure looks like money
mircea_popescu: gold is money. silver is this thing that poor people keep tryiong to pass as money
Chaaang-Noi: you guys going to celibrate pizza day? may 22nd?
Chaaang-Noi: its something you hope you never have to use, but if you do need it, you will be glad as fuck you have it
Chaaang-Noi: if you are trapped in a nationstate that prints their money to worthlessness you will need silver and gold
ThickAsThieves: in case we need to melt it down for a spear and arrows?
Chaaang-Noi: i think every person should ahve some physical silver and gold just incase
Chaaang-Noi: i hold silver in the usa and gold here in thailand as a shtf backup and not a large percent of my assets just 5 to 10%
Chaaang-Noi: silver and gold is the oldest form of money we still use
Chaaang-Noi: people ahve been trying to sell silver as money since 60000 years ago....
mircea_popescu: but on the face of it silver is a sort of tin.
mircea_popescu: silver is abundant. people have been trying to sell it as worthwhile and "an investment" or "money" since the great debates in the us in the 1800s
Chaaang-Noi: im getting to damn old, have a bit of a hang over from last night and i did not drink that much :/
Chaaang-Noi: only their coke habbits
Chaaang-Noi: im getting into silver cuz 100% in crypto is not really smart since i have to support a family
Chaaang-Noi: yeah metals are going down, but i want to buy as they go down, i think long term silver is solid
Chaaang-Noi: bug they sell rounds for $1 over spot
Bugpowda: they only market is the deranged
Bugpowda: people are so desperate for silver coins that they will pay 20% over price?
Chaaang-Noi: silver bars are cool, but its not legal tendar :(
Chaaang-Noi: and also bug, you can sell them back for over spot
Namworld: Paypal's a bitch, but that bitch can go anywhere. And claw back visciously your money when you ask her.
Chaaang-Noi: and in small amounts, and just for some stuff to buy off of ebay
Chaaang-Noi: i was going to use someone i trusted
Chaaang-Noi: http://www.apmex.com/Product/72462/2013_Silver_Eagle_500_Coin_Monster_Box_SF_Mint_Sealed.aspx anyone want to sell me one of these? 130 btc for $500!
ThickAsThieves: but cant tx be reversed?
Chaaang-Noi: ironiccly i started using btc cuz i hated paypal and banks, now i use them more than evar :(
Chaaang-Noi: it seems to be an option for selling btc
Chaaang-Noi: who here has paypal? is it easy to set up? do i need my bank info?