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furuknap: AM has been very, very profitable for him. That's why he took the fee away.
furuknap: Actually burnside reaps from trading because it is his exchange.
ThickAsThieves: DT gets something out of the deal
ThickAsThieves: the PTs that charge no fee
furuknap: I understand there is work involved, but I saw the regular PT numbers and thought it would be much more interest in the 100PTs.
furuknap: Of course, I have no reason not to trust you, but you still don't have to hold personal shares, which is totally different from holding shares from someone else and routing the dividends.
ThickAsThieves: I'd be interested to see em
ThickAsThieves: go ahead and ask DT and Burnside to show their shares
ThickAsThieves: no other PT operator does that
ThickAsThieves: I posted my transparency report
ThickAsThieves: none of this is naked
Chaang-Noi: nake short selling for the wi!
ThickAsThieves: if i hold 5000 shares for the PT
furuknap: Well, there is a major difference betwen being a PT operator and holding shares. You can be a PT operator and not hold a single share yourself.
ThickAsThieves: and what those are worth
ThickAsThieves: 5% of divs is entirely disproportionate a same to worry about considering the share value
Bugpowder: just the wall itself
Bugpowder: wall at 118 used to be 10k
Chaang-Noi: i still see the 118 bid wall ?
furuknap: Yeah, because the volume should be much higher. I realize it didn't become as huge as when I suggested it.
ThickAsThieves: furuknap, I actually recall you were the fist one to give me shit about it
mircea_popescu: so 1 per thousand. if he has 1k btc total float 1 btc
mircea_popescu: <furuknap> From the entire PT? Geez. << no dude. dividend was like 2%. he gets 1/20 iof that
furuknap: Yeah, I just thought it was way bigger in volume.
Namworld: It's slow on the updating here
ThickAsThieves: they dont grasp the math
ThickAsThieves: is people make a big deal about the 5%
ThickAsThieves: thats one aspect that frustrates me a bit
Namworld: and 3 BTC is the last dividend which was high
Namworld: He has to sell a lot
Namworld: 10000 TAT ASICM = 100 ASICM = 3 BTC. x5% = 0.15 BTC or 18 dollars
furuknap: Ah, you're talking shares, not fractions. Got it.
ThickAsThieves: i only run the fractional pt s
furuknap: ?? Isn't there around 10K on Bitfunder and 30K on BTCT?
ThickAsThieves: id need like 5000-10000 for it to even be notable
furuknap: I realize it's just the dividends. Thought it had higher volumes.
ThickAsThieves: but its nowhere near that
furuknap: From the entire PT? Geez.
furuknap: No shit... What's that in BTC, then...
mircea_popescu: i dunno what that even is ;/
furuknap: TAT, could you tell me so I don't have to calculate myself, how much you get from the 5% in dividends on AM-PT?
mircea_popescu: who's that ?
ThickAsThieves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2182646#msg2182646 --- furuknap u better ask him to show his math on that one
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kakobrekla: someone is trying to sell me http://www.zeroblock.com/
mircea_popescu: getting people there since 1993
davout: mircea_popescu: you got me there!
mircea_popescu: yeah but the music is paid after :D
davout: the fee for the music shall be equal to the fee for VIP registration
davout: mircea_popescu: we shall have a concert for the conference #2
mircea_popescu: davout : the girl wants you to know that she's answered "spoken like a true gypsy" in the nigger thread but some mod beleeted it.
furuknap: MP, any way to reach you in private?
davout: MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR
furuknap: To answer my own question from earlier (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1531597#msg1531597): [L]ooks like they sold 518271 shares. IPO is now closed.
Chaang-Noi: iv already done that
Chaang-Noi: now we need to see about 125
Chaang-Noi: we got to get over the wall however
furuknap: Everything seems to point to 120+ shortly. Sadly, I chickened out on the Dwolla dip by not buying. I believe I will be hitting myself on the head for that.
furuknap: This is the Battle of the $120. 10K sell before 122 too.
furuknap: Ah, now it's there...
Chaang-Noi: yes that is over 9000
gribble: There are currently 10058.458 bitcoins demanded at or over 118.0 USD, worth 1187353.50463 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0059 seconds
furuknap: Wall at 118? I see 750 there if you're talking Gox?
Chaang-Noi: fuck see that buy wall at 118???
Chaang-Noi: <mircea_popescu> bitcoin wearers unaffected. im going to make a necklace out of a casasicus 1000 gold coin
Chaang-Noi: has to be
furuknap: Ah, OK. Well, the more I read, the more it seems that there's just way too much effort here to scam someone for peanuts.
mircea_popescu: Chopard jewels worth more than $1 million have been stolen at the Cannes film festival
mircea_popescu: furuknap is what i meant. some guy "posting casually" in some forum thread is no argument for anything
Chaang-Noi: 119.9 again.. we cant get higher than that...
furuknap: My bad if that wasn't your intention.
furuknap: Ah, I thought you meant something along those lines. I thought you said the only relationship was that 100TH claimed to have purchased Bitfury chips.
furuknap: Here's Bitfury with some more technical details on his chip, in the 100TH thread. MP, I doubt he would post there so casually if he had no relationship with 100TH. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1509922#msg1509922
furuknap: The drawback of that strategy is that he still needs to get a proper racehorse at some point, and the process isn't going to be quicker for him. People think he can just snap his fingers and have 262 TH in production, but with the current tech, that takes a lot of space and he's already running into issues with that.
furuknap: Yeah, that was genious, and I mean that. Realizing how complex it would be, he got an old beat-down horse and bet that there wouldn't be any other horses in the race.
truffles: "1. You're nobody", isnt that where most people stop reading??
Chaang-Noi: and yes the second gen could fail, but AM has so massive deep pockets and the right contacts at this point
Chaang-Noi: i kinda thought friedcat was smart going with the very very old tech
furuknap: Or the Swedes.
furuknap: That's always a risk. Same can apply to AM 2nd gen.
truffles: i keep hearing Piccolo every time its said..
Chaang-Noi: wonder what will happen.. even if legit, could run into same issues as bfl and the chips just dont work
Chaang-Noi: i do think i looked into this before, i did not like what i saw
Namworld: Sure, I bet the power companies hate it.
Chaang-Noi: she thinks AM is a scam too
Namworld: Pretty sure that's called thievery
furuknap: BTW, mp, -PR seems a bit skeptical about the whole 100TH thing. You probably read it already: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140366.msg1495160#msg1495160
ThickAsThieves: they are the ones with the selling power
furuknap: Problem is, if or when there comes a correction, those clueless investors will cry 'bubble share' whenever they can, tainting AMs ability to appeal to serious investors.
Chaang-Noi: i was clueless when i bought in, i only did it cuz of my past relatioship with him and he seemed like an honest guy. i had no idea how he expected to beat bfl
mircea_popescu: well they've created a few problems for themselves with the horde of clueless investors, but anyway.
Chaang-Noi: anyone who can get 255 of the network is going to lack in some areas
furuknap: mp, absolutely, which is why I have faitrh in the operation if they can calm down a bit.
mircea_popescu: financially clueless, but that;'s not exactly a crime, few op managers grok finance.
truffles: or 1 of the few
mircea_popescu: furuknap he's operationally good, or at least way better than everyone else in btc
truffles: friedcat seems like the real most interesting man in btc
furuknap: I trust his honesty. A bit skeptical about business abilities.
Chaang-Noi: we have no idea how much he is paying for labor, equipment and the like
ThickAsThieves: not taht people werent already emailing him for deals