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mircea_popescu: because totally, this is how the pantsuit "
sincere regret" device works : gmaxwell is "sincerely sorry" about his 2011 "business" in his mind only wasting
a buncha people's coins, therefore "mp largely slinked off into the shadows after one of his crappy businesses disappeared with people's coins".
lobbes: damn, indeed
a mess. Humans just can't seem to measure time very well
diana_coman: basically timestamps have always been
a total mess.
diana_coman: they didn't have 0
a.d. at *that time* though, did they?
lobbes: diana_coman: hm, but then what about, say, 0
A.D.? Wasn't that the start of the 'first' decade?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, actually, neither qntra nor thewhet load here ; nor is the dns working, try
a dig.
mod6: Now that my blog is back up and working (blog.mod6.net), I have
a number of articles to write here in the next serveral days with further thoughts/details surrounding the items in the State of Bitcoin Address.
diana_coman: trinque: why does your blog send me to an empty page after I give it
a comment? It's quite confusing/initially I thought it failed to eat it and I was just about to try again.
mircea_popescu: (mull & read)* tingles my malloc sense. is that
a dangling dereference ?
mircea_popescu: but that's the idea : what i mean by " we systematize the pile" is that first we make
a large pile, then we select from it to make
a smaller but correctly structured pile, and then we use the pile to fix cs where needed (and also we convert some portion of the larger pile left out, that's worth doing)
diana_coman: ok; worth noting that the "piped into" part might itself be quite involved / will depend on what's exactly in that pile from
a/b.
mircea_popescu: both
a and b above produce
a pile ; it's piped into extant eulora client ; done.
mircea_popescu: anwyay -- i kinda do want
a done anyway, so if any of the unemployed in the audience wants to hop to, do talk to me about it.
mircea_popescu: the advantage of
a truly republican new year's celebration
diana_coman: certainly; and part of why I'm not all-that-enthusiastic about it; otoh my current experience with ~equivalent of
a make me also-not-that-enthusiastic; so I'm looking at "choice".
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not about to go paying idiots
a whole lotta money so they're
a little bit less idiotic, what the fuck.
diana_coman: I didn't keep track but I do recall at least
a few off the top of my head, yes.
mircea_popescu: gotta be at least
a dozen, including both the expert who made one splash screen and the contest winning kid on tardstalk who made the other.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-30 12:41:13 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the way this coming to
a head is working out in my head is as follows : you have practically speaking the option to either
a) go trawl the entire internet, drag out ~everything~ that's conceivably useful (submit expenses report for stuff that's behind reasonable paywalls i guess) and then we systematize the pile ; or else write
a possible-lifeform-generation machine and see what you want it to save
mircea_popescu: it does. if there's
a meteor land tomorrow wipe out "humanity" there'll be exactly nothing lost. except for the stench it wouldn't even be noticeable anything occured.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, sadly i do not currently believe anyone whose name is going to be worth knowing in ten years is older than about fifteen today. with maybe
a dozen exceptions.
diana_coman: if you mean "art products" by that everything that's conceivably useful then yes, indeed, I was thinking precisely of that rather sad attempt, hm; the idea -naive!- behind that to my mind was more to find perhaps as
a result *people* doing something useful in that direction, hm.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the way this coming to
a head is working out in my head is as follows : you have practically speaking the option to either
a) go trawl the entire internet, drag out ~everything~ that's conceivably useful (submit expenses report for stuff that's behind reasonable paywalls i guess) and then we systematize the pile ; or else write
a possible-lifeform-generation machine and see what you want it to save.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I had the article on the
toolchain to help her as I knew she was having
a go at it based on some discussion in #eulora I think; maybe that?
hanbot: nah, i committed
a major sin there, possibly i'll have to pay by starting over and properly documenting.
hanbot: i had
a lot of fun modeling
a slime guy in blender, then discovered getting it to
a usable form via "baking textures" etc 5 or so layers deep was ... i guess i'd call it beyond my attention span.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, they don't. and when hanbot TRIED to do it, she died in
a flaming mess of deeply inadequate tools. she almost made
a slime. ALMOST.
mircea_popescu: so it's worth making
a thing like blender, and then making
a thing like the inexistent exporter, and then making
a thing like cs, and all the xml wrapping and etcetera,
mircea_popescu: so hard and difficult and unapproachable and scary and etcetera is this question of splittign the space, that it is worthwhile to go to all the trouble of farming
a bunch of morons, because their crap/noncrap decision is tantamount to fucking holy, and no deployment of anything but honest to god THE dude from big lebowsky can possibly cut it.
mircea_popescu: alright. out of this space of 3bn units, once applying the rule of "looks like
a game character" (or "mob" or whatever forumation of "is useful for eulora") there's going to be
a few equivalency classes (most visible on say nintendo, bcause most annoying on nintendo, really, the wolf+1 gets blond hair ?)
mircea_popescu:
a cube
a thousand pixels wide will take, to be naively described point by point, about 3*256 Gb. this means there's about
a trillion such cubes. yes ?
mircea_popescu: now let's see here : leaving aside for the sake of discoursive coherence the correct vectorial representation, and making do with
a purely catesian approach (aka bitmaps) for the time being, on the expectation that while this rather than that allows much easier quantification, that rather than this doesn't magically pack much more complexity, greeks be damned :
diana_coman: that yes, I do; though I am partial to an sukhoi more than to an AI because at least it's
a concrete beast I guess.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it... i dunno, it makes
a skymap if you print the 1's as stars i guess.
mircea_popescu: now, suppose we change out the sukhoi, and chande in instead "an artificial intelligence", specifically,
a few TB of w/e worth of mostly 0s, binary values.
mircea_popescu: artificial intelligence as actually extant today is, leaving aside all sorta obscure lulz alf used to like referencing about expert systems and nato wargames, and the assorted lulzpile of neural networks and etc from the very dead 70s, and also leaving aside the whole life OF
MINSKY, and then sussma
mircea_popescu: "artificial intelligence", like "flight" or whatever else, is as such and in the abstract
a long cherished dream of humanity.
mircea_popescu: so, the sukhoi 34 is
a pretty cool plane ; in any case the basis of the russian defeat in the field of usg's pretense to air participation. now suppose for the sake of argument someone comes offering to sell one ; and suppose further that you're to advise on the purchase by providing
a single scalar value : what the item is worth iyo.
mircea_popescu: the other part is that, well... why exactly is
a texture / skin / shader / model / anything else in compgfx even valuable in the first place ?
mircea_popescu: one is that
a coupla years of diligent work have gotten eulora to this position where it actually outgrew the intellectual basis of the community such as it is in pretty much every respect. many things nominally upstream would be inputs for this decision spot but are sadly absent, from "well... what about scheme then ?" coincidentally brought up avbove to the self-obvious "how did the western world produce 0 graphic art
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, let's restate this, so currently work on nailing down the comms protocol is stalled on
a definitive universal data model, which is stalled on graphical use in the client, that about it ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-28 02:22:16 mircea_popescu: so listen... while you were away there's been
a lot of progress ongoing in the republic, these guys now have blogs and stick to publishing planning schedules and such wunderbar alien techs. you gonna catch up with the group ?
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only lisp i use how shall we put this, on
a day to day basis as opposed to some kinda ceremonial function
mircea_popescu: hanbot,
a, that's actually
a good point -- we might want to look into how gimp uses scheme for scripting
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 09:56:30 mircea_popescu: neways, as to the burning "OTOH, I wonder if things like Apache or imagemagick get installed, how will the package management system work out, and how comprehensible will system stay?" question -- i see the merit of using the clean spot as
a fixed point to attempt expanding cleanliness. so, it would work by apache becoming tmserv or w/e, and not sucking anymore.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:21:12 trinque: whaack: starting at beliefs is going to be
a shaky foundation, but fwiw I "believe" most folks writing lisp today are compulsive masturbators like gabriel_laddel
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:20:02 trinque: which is not just
a bunch of bawww. it's worthwhile to question wtf we use to value things within which *whole lifetimes* can be lost, wasted.
mircea_popescu: in short, we might be one or two "cultural aspects" away from anything like
a useful or usable version of common lisp. now go
fuck some teenie boppers on cam ; and when you're done have them eat your ass. ON CAM. and then maybe we lisp together, later.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, all solved problems begin their life as solved problems through first being closed ;
a refusal to close problem and
a tendency to "keep problems open" is in the end specifically what
neoteny even is.
mircea_popescu: but you don't ~like~ closed problems, or rather, you deem the putative existence of such
a thing as closed problems as such
a threat to your misconception of identity, it's almost like it's the koschei stealing the above-linked "cultural aspects" of
young female chest away from you.
mircea_popescu: and what i mean by "there's no more space" is rather
a lot in the vein of "you lot chafe and get massively butthurt at even the faintest version of what that world would look like anyone [by which we mean me, for lack of alternatives] can come up with". lisp is
a tool for resolving closed problems, not for floating about the endless uncharted seas [
http://trilema.com/2014/i-love-rochester-so-will-you/?b=try%20to&e=swim# mircea_popescu: the main problem (and the reason i don't come across as much of
a lisp fan) is that since the 80s complexity exploded significantly ; there's no more space for proto lisp as represented by
mel ; nor for the classical lisp as represented by the defunct moron club.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:19:37 whaack: diana_coman: if i search for
a piece of lisp code to do something, I have
a (perhaps naive) belief that I am more likely to find something well written, since there are fewer people using the language
mircea_popescu: not to tar you with
a well used brush, but it HAS been the experience to date.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:12:50 whaack: trinque: First, I find it more pleasant writing in lisp. Second, I like the cultural aspect of
a (present day) more niche language. Then for problems with python: i find the single line lambdas
a strange requirement, and not having tail call optimization is lame (although i admit i can't think of many/any cases where that's been
a problem)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:07:26 trinque: which includes
a shell
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:02:34 trinque: if we were to retain lisp, I'd say pick one, don't have
a python alongside it, and don't expect to use much "open source" to help you.
mircea_popescu: naggum for that mattter is being whipped upside down in hell even as we speak, specifically for "wtf did you do with your calling, you schmuck, killed yourself before hearing it ?
TAKE IT LIKE A LITTLE BITCH".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 13:49:11 phf: you ought to consider moving here, or at least coming for
a visit. the place is
a lot livelier than dc, food is better, girls are prettier, things are generally cheaper, etc. etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: and of course fixing c compilation so it's no longer outrageous idiocy "that works" (tm) is precisely not
a possible utilization of lisp because the fucking reason it even exist is so as to not have those problems, and so on.
mircea_popescu: sp systems that just _don't_ offer the serious advantages that solid Common Lisp systems do that people can't _afford_ to provide for free." carrying the day with me, but in larger part the actual absence of any serious problem (besides, ~perhaps~,
this) we actually could meaningfully use it for. you really don't need lisp to make
a blog anymore than you need
a mircea_popescu: in short : i honestly don't think deploying lisp ~at all~ is such
a great idea, or should be done.
mircea_popescu: (sadly, there's
a much better example, also in the form of
a naggum exchange. it revolves around "common misconceptions" and such typically pantsuitist wooden tongue, but now i can't fucking find it. though i clearly remember discussing it recently(
diana_coman: fwiw I went there because of
a former friend who kept pulling at me about it; nothing to do with stanca really, never even talked to him ever.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure i insisted
a thing be published at the end of what was
a longish march if memory serves, and pretty sure i was gratified in it ; moreover i recall interacting with
a nobject
diana_coman: hmmmm, let me see but I think it was just
a mention in one of those open sores rants
mircea_popescu: chema/?b=Compared&e=be#select][bit], then eventually
a small pile of actually useful and working code is left behind, implementing 108% or so of what the old pile actually did while removing 98% or so of what it had no business doing"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-28 22:56:45 trinque: and jfw, dorion_road, if you don't see the word "Gales" in there, it's because I'm trying to disabuse you of the notion that there's such thing as
a "Gales" which you made, by way of sheer numbers.
trinque: whaack: starting at beliefs is going to be
a shaky foundation, but fwiw I "believe" most folks writing lisp today are compulsive masturbators like gabriel_laddel
trinque: which is not just
a bunch of bawww. it's worthwhile to question wtf we use to value things within which *whole lifetimes* can be lost, wasted.
whaack: diana_coman: if i search for
a piece of lisp code to do something, I have
a (perhaps naive) belief that I am more likely to find something well written, since there are fewer people using the language
trinque: nobody's defending python; I'm questioning the superiority of lisp for anything you might actually be doing on
a regular basis.
diana_coman: whaack: wtf's "the cultural aspect of
a (present day) more niche language" ?
whaack: trinque: pasting chunks of python code is also
a pain given the blocks-created-by-tabs design
whaack: trinque: First, I find it more pleasant writing in lisp. Second, I like the cultural aspect of
a (present day) more niche language. Then for problems with python: i find the single line lambdas
a strange requirement, and not having tail call optimization is lame (although i admit i can't think of many/any cases where that's been
a problem)
whaack: trinque: well fwiw I sincerely hope tmsr-os comes with
a lisp over
a python