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mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, "All history is
to be re-written; political science and
the whole scope of all moral
truth have
to be considered and illustrated in
the light of
the democratic principle. All old subjects of
thought and all new questions arising, connected more or less directly with human existence, have
to be
taken up again and re-examined."
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, so did
the archiving of links in chan die sometime around dec 24th ?
mp_en_viaje: it could have mattered a lot more, in
theory, in 2016.
today, having it on or off is ~same.
mp_en_viaje: ultimately, alfisms like
the 'malleus_mikehearnificarum' are of little political consequence, coming as
they are from an ispless band of socially isolated autists.
mp_en_viaje: the private networks are generally obscure and mostly handrolled ; but
they do not differ as much as
the people involved like
to imagine.
mp_en_viaje: as far as
the public network's concerned everyone's stuck with some version of postel's nonsense for
the obvious reasons
jfw: mod6: do we have any picture of what software
the larger miners are running
these days? Because
that's
the possibly-prb-afflicted network I'd rather not be isolated from.
mod6: Your notion is correct on
the former, 'more exposed
to potentially misbehaving or sybil peers'. As
to
the latter, I suspect you will be connected simply more prb nodes. It is possible
that you'll also find, in a 'subgraph', nodes
that are playing nicely, but seems less likely.
jfw: mod6: my notion of what
that action entails, and please correct if I'm missing a major aspect, is
that I'm more exposed
to potentially misbehaving or sybil peers, but also potentially better connected and more likely
to bridge otherwise partitioned subgraphs of
the network.
mod6: Heads up
to
TRB users, seems
that nodes have wedged on block 618406. A simple restart of
TRB seemed
to resolve it. Not sure on
the cause yet. Will update with more information as I have it.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-21 16:55:04 jfw: Indeed mom
taught me
the English cases (though perhaps not
the fucking cases) and sentence
trees while
the sixth grade did not; and I remember grandma
taught me handwriting exercises
that
the second grade couldn't be bothered with
jfw: Indeed mom
taught me
the English cases (though perhaps not
the fucking cases) and sentence
trees while
the sixth grade did not; and I remember grandma
taught me handwriting exercises
that
the second grade couldn't be bothered with
jfw: I'll pass along
the invite, why not. She gonna need a GPG key and everything? :D
jfw: mircea_popescu: a consonance of dislikes between my own branch of
the old generation and
the young republic; how nice & harmonious!
mircea_popescu: jfw,
tell mom
to come in sometime, i wouldn't mind commissioning ru versions of some
trilema articles from ye 30year veteran editor of
the executive intelligence review.
mircea_popescu: the notion of
trees as an approach
to human knowledge is such alien mp-arcana not because mp came up with anything, but because everyone else failed 6th grade, can't
take sentence produce
the grammatical
tree
therein.
mircea_popescu: it's
true,
too. esl
tards are UNIQUELY illiterate, you've not seen anything like it, "college graduates" with a sub 1k word vocabulary and understanding of grammar so rudimental as
to render
them incapable of
theoretical production on
the level of naming
the fucking cases, or practical accomplishment on
the level of analysing one phrase...
mircea_popescu: "It is salutary
to remember
that
the majority of English mother-tongue applicants for
translation posts in
the European Commission fail because of
the poor quality of
their English." << i lulzed.
mircea_popescu: it's just one of
those lulzy ustardian
tropes, like "manifest destiny" or "ourdemocracy" or whatever first pass ambergris in
that vein.
mircea_popescu: it occurs
to me
the rather ridiculous ustardanism of "
i think i know how to spell my own name" passed unadressed in
the melee. so let it be said plainly
then :
this notion
that rando mcnobody is nevertheless
the authority on
the spelling anf pronounciation of
the label denoting
them socially is little more
than quaint provincial affectation. it enjoys neither respe
jfw: np. Gotta run for now -
this bitcoin signing code isn't going
to cut itself.
mircea_popescu: So IMHO it's worth stating in
the documentation
that some command is expected
to have certain flags available, which in
the end would lead us
to a complete enumeration of system utilities and
the functionality
they provide, which IMHO would be worth at least as much as
the current POSIX spec. <<
this btw is eminently a service and likely
to produce
the way forward.
mircea_popescu: in
the end it
turns out, forking musl is unavoidable on very deep, far reaching, fundamental grounds.
jfw: mircea_popescu: you mentioned
the broken sorting
here at least
mircea_popescu: what
the fuck "long
time computer users" ? we're using periphrases for humanity now ?
the fucking cows don't belong in computing already.
mircea_popescu: nerally undesirable. Most of
the language specific locales have
tables
that specify
the sort behavior
to ignore punctuation and
to fold case.
This is counter intuitive
to most long
time computer users!"
mircea_popescu: "At
that point sort appears broken because case is folded and punctuation is ignored because ‘en_US.UTF-8’ specifies
this behavior. Once specifically requested by LANG and other LC_* variables, sort and other locale knowledgeable programs must respect
that setting and sort according
to
the operating system locale
tables.
That is why
this is not a bug in sort, sort is doing
the right
thing, even if
the behavior is ge
mircea_popescu: oddly i can't find havng discussed
that whole pile of unicode breakage in
the logs --
though i'm pretty sure i said something on multiple occasions.
mircea_popescu: and
the same
thing's obvious if one reads any codebase important enough
to have been around since before september. like say
coreutils, or like say anything else.
mircea_popescu: g
them go about
their day
that indeed
they'd have reconstructed a world much more in
their own image. out of garbage, multicolorous, strangely odorous, europe's little more
than one giant brazilian favela -- except, again, for
the indignity of ruins preventing
their aspirations.
mircea_popescu: it's quite obvious, incidentally, perusing
the collection of liberated rats,
that
the walls are rather in
their way. if
there weren't all
these
things
they practically speaking stole from other people (through
the complicity of father
time, not
through some sort of effort on
their part) being in
the way, if it weren't
the case
they lack both
the drive and
the equipment
to
tear
them down, it's rather self-obvious watchin
mircea_popescu: well, while
that lasts. notre dame went
to join its maker.
jfw: And Europe's still got
the infrastructure and scenic castles and classical languages and all
that
to
think it's still a
thing
mircea_popescu: the poor fucks never got a chance
to catch up, because
the other retards,
the lazy, inept, EQUALITARIAN retards of "Il est interdit d'interdire !" & co managed
to catch down instead.
mircea_popescu: but now, revisiting
the matter half a century later --
the frankfurt-oslo axis barely qualifies for historical addis abeba.
mircea_popescu: romania helped, with
tech
transfer, with political support, including AGAINST
the moronic us & friends (
a tradition, by
the way). so did
the russians, and
the chinese,
tho veiled by
their alt-flavoured imperial pretensions.
mircea_popescu: i very vividly remember
the STRIVE,
the fucking indomitable drive of black people in
the 70s an' 80s
to catch up,
to become,
to civilize,
to build up
their countries. it started in
the early years of
the century, with luminaries like
the emperor of ethiopia ; it bulked out and by
the 70s it was a deluge.
mircea_popescu: which, sadly but painfully, has been my experience of europe. i
took a coupla sluts born in
the colonies
to
take in
the glories of
the motherland, and
the motherland meanwhile's
turned 100% chad.
mircea_popescu: and
these scions of africa 2.0,
they have enough sense
to object-oriented.
mircea_popescu: neways.
the cows have enough sense
to find
their own house, but only if
the gate hasn't been changed recently --
the village cattle minder just
takes
them
to
the end of
the village as
the air
turns dusky, and
they on
their own
time sorta lumber
towards
the respective storage units
mircea_popescu: no substitutes are acceptable, it has
to be
the exact one.
jfw: They'll need
to get
that cowpie into unicode 12.2.
mircea_popescu: sitting at
the gate
tryina figure it out. "do
these people hate english ? or everything other
than english ? hmmm!!! my premise could not possibly be faulty, i'm a literate veal
that can spell his own name, just look at
this last cowpie, how well it speals -- VEAL!"
mircea_popescu: "literate" veals, very capable of scribbling
their own name in an alphabet of
their choice (somehow nobody notices "using an alphabet of your own choice" is
THE OPPOSITE OF SPELLING, and
the exact definition of illiteracy -- all
the fucking farmhands who can't read or write COULD scribble something down, anyone can screech random squgg;lies, with a shovel in a pile of dirt, with
their own piss on driven snow, fingerpain
mircea_popescu: for my sins i find myself surrounded by
the problems of my ancestors, which i guess is making
them happy. fucking hell.
mircea_popescu: so it sits an gazes at
the
thing, and could sit
there all evening. you have
to know you have
to send one of
the children
to drag
the animal back in. it's one of
the fringes of proper manhood,
things far out in
the footnotes of
the book of being an 1700s romanian peasant, stuff only a few know, BUT ALL EVENTUALLY DISCOVER.
mircea_popescu: and
the veal does not know what
to do. it does sorta look like his house, but
then what is
THIS
thing ?!
mircea_popescu: this necessarily means
that every veal returning home will return
to a new gate every
time
the man has fixed his.
mircea_popescu: now,
the
time for
the cows
to leave
the house is in
the early morning,
they go grazing. whereas
the
time
to fix your outer gate is kinda noon-ish, after more high priorty items were seen
to.
mircea_popescu: you see, in
traditional culture everything has a
time and a place.
that's it's principal quality,
the
thing
that makes it a culture in
the first place : it's complete.
mircea_popescu: literally it means, "you gaze upon it like
the veal at
the new gate". it
translates into literature an ancient experience of an ancient cattle herding people :
mircea_popescu: there's
this romanian idiomatic, it goes "te uiti ca vitelu' la poarta noua".
jfw: I
took it as, "wait wut, do
these people hate English or everything-but-English??"
mircea_popescu: good god, with minds like
these what need of scholarship.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha, and
THAT is offensive
to
the illiterate self-spellers ?!
jfw: mircea_popescu: ah no,
the line he and
then I attempted
to link was "The English sources at my disposal underwhelm, so let's instead
take a stab at
the Latin beneath."
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-19 15:44:57 diana_coman: jfw: eh,
that's
the usual way socialism always goes - it's "the people's interests" except of course
they get defined discarding any given individual's input if it does not match "what
the interests should be" etc.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what some illiterate moron deems problematic about
that sentence, maybe it's
the vocabulary, such as
the word "sin". god knows
they have vocabulary problems all
the damned
time.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-19 15:41:11 jfw: mircea_popescu: who/what was
this to btw?
mircea_popescu: the salient points are 1.
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-18#1958204 somehow linked
to 2. something off
trinque's blog which reads "Therefore we may not sin
too much calling complexity
the measure of how weaved-with an item is, either in itself or with its surroundings.", if
that indeed's what was meant by "second line".
mircea_popescu: illiterate users of spellkits for
their own name seem
to me less desirable
than literate people, so whathevers. i guess
the practical difference between musl and say
python is actually nil, and if you want
to use it you'll have
to fork and maintain it.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-19 15:37:57 jfw: "Not
treating users like
they're "illiterate" if
they want
to be able
to write
their own name has always been
the most important
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-19#1958336 << i guess.
these retrospective statements of "what was ALWAYS most important" rather evoke dreamstates. if
the person in question was in fact literate, he'd have linked
the historical statement, rather
than provide an ad-hoc reintrepretation of what he currently
thinks was "always"
the most important.
jfw: hanbot: haha yes.
Their code is
the complete and exclusive source of ability!
hanbot: "This will allow non-English speakers
the ability
to understand
the errors
that are happening on
the computers
they own." << jfw lol check out
the
thinly-veiled ownership hierarchy. "you need us in order
to pretend
to ownership!"
deedbot: hanbot updated rating of asciilifeform from 3
to -1 << For all his pretensions
to personhood,
this guy actually needed me
to save him from a hotel bill he couldn't handle as he was
too stupid, neglectful, or both,
to check out on his own. Years later he's decided
to keep raging against acquiring basic skills by attempting
to
tarnish
those who
tried
to help him. In a word,
the ficklest friend I ever
thought I had.
diana_coman: well,
they are certainly stuck
to "resolve"
through pretense of one sort or another; whether
that is
the easiest pretense or not doesn't even matter all
that much, it's more like a forced move really, what *else* are
they going
to do since
they rule out entirely addressing
the root cause?
jfw: easiest way
to "resolve"
the nonexistence of a singluar "people's interests" I guess
diana_coman: jfw: eh,
that's
the usual way socialism always goes - it's "the people's interests" except of course
they get defined discarding any given individual's input if it does not match "what
the interests should be" etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 22:00:03 mircea_popescu: so what's
the point, casual usage of
the word sin is
triggering ?
jfw: mircea_popescu: who/what was
this to btw?
jfw: ...or I suppose he does
that
too, hm.
jfw: well at least he puts it in
terms of HIS interests rather
than all users worldwide in
the abstract
jfw: core value of
the project, and your attitude
towards
the matter here does not make me interested in going out of my way
to cater
to you."
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 19:29:06 diana_coman: mircea_popescu:
to my mind
the "no one user matters more
than another" means of course "no user matters at all" ; because it follows by necessity.
jfw: "Not
treating users like
they're "illiterate" if
they want
to be able
to write
their own name has always been
the most important
mircea_popescu: for some reason
these couldn't be further apart in
the romanian mind.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 20:10:44 mircea_popescu: incidentally, cristina
topescu died recently, as in, over xmas (this was
the daughter of just such a wonder,
the ONLY romanian sports commenter, one cristian
topescu. socialist romania had one of everything, you knew what panties
the girl has on before looking and you knew who was gonna narrate
the game on
the radio while you're looking).
the chick was only famous for once on
tv -- because hey, she followed
the