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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naggum was, as you can probably tell, 'roman', or 'man of civilization', 'i'ma drown like a gentleman ! (tm) (r) (brit officer)' etc.
mircea_popescu: seems to me it's rather about how amphibious buldozers are unnecessary because her majesty's engineering corps may one day get around to building a road that goes where I WANT.
mircea_popescu: i want to plow right through the fucking swamp.
mircea_popescu: fuck you bitch, i DO NOT WANT to find a better way.
asciilifeform: 'here, instead i will part with networked displays, which i never used anyway, and shoelaces.'
mircea_popescu: anyway, i;m deeply unpersuaded of naggum's love for "dynamism"
asciilifeform: 'only a lunatic would suggest that i part with z.'
asciilifeform: very, to be fair, easy trap to fall in. 'i just want to y while never letting go of z.'
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'd have to start collecting that information, but yes
phf: i wrote a loader for them though, and they load, eating up another 100mb or so
phf: (mostly because those logs will have to have negative id's, i assume there are bunch of places, where ids are handled with parse-integer)
phf: mircea_popescu: i haven't had time to integrate it, my spare cycles were going into bot rewrite
mircea_popescu: phf wait, how does this work ? i recall i sent you a batch, or was there a problem there ?
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't have the 2012 ones yet
asciilifeform: also i dun fully grasp her laddel's story
asciilifeform: i ain't shipping unless he signs with his $key.
asciilifeform: so i cracked it.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm homeless and that isn't really possible atm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i ended up reversing the vendor bios on x60, or rather, the particular routine that concerned the hardware whitelist, and nopped it out
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: spiffy. I'd be happy to pay for postage. Will try and find somewhere to ship it later today
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i reproduced it
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: "machine crashes at full cpu load in 100% of case" < nevermind then. glad I asked.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-29 16:55 asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.
asciilifeform: iirc i described it in some detail.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: ty. asciilifeform: I think that the rotating screen is spiffy, and would love to stop carrying around a notepad + computer
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i have x61 here.
gabriel_laddel: Gotta run. If anyone has experience with the levano x61 tablet or some other hardware you really like, do tell. I read all logs eventually.
asciilifeform: i am speaking of real-life-no-money.
asciilifeform: (and incidentally i have nfi which, the money, or the stevejobs. but to limit hypothesis to the latter strikes me as hasty)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have serious trouble distinguishing him from a young steve jobs, at this point.
asciilifeform: i do not want a motherfucking 'desktop'.
gabriel_laddel: If I could just get the fking replication working..
gabriel_laddel: I have people waiting on me *right now* to sell them masamune machines.
gabriel_laddel: exactly. which is why I write CLIM for a living
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if you saw what i do to 'make money' you would barf, and ask for the valium injector from this morning's thread
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i very much do not have a clear picture of what you're doing. other than the one fact that you seem to believe 'write directly to video ram' as 'viable replacement for x11'
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute your goals ; merely your very inept methodology.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the reason i sometimes try to 'wake up' young, excitable folk like gabriel_laddel is that they are not yet at a stage where one made various dead-end design choices , that, now locked into, man enters a sad lifetime of justification and 'just wanted to' and 'only a terrorist would throw out my life's work of library'
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: can we table this discussion for the time being? I understand what it is that you're getting at, but you don't have (and nor will you have) a clear picture of exactly what it is that I'm doing.
phf: i think the disagreement can be bridged on architectural grounds. i think gabriel_laddel's lack of understanding of clx and ideological refusal to understand it better is going to result in the worse final design. there are examples of x11 done right, that are much easier to port away to native hardware. whether or not "x11" or "no x11" is the final design, basic x protocol provides for a very solid set of ground level elements and also
asciilifeform: the part i dispute, gabriel_laddel , is that it is WHOLE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll tell you why not : because until he asks, you can;'t tell.
mircea_popescu: i think the last person who had that locked themselves in a cellar and rages there still.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I will note that if someone with sufficent knowledge of x.org stumbles into my life, I'd be happy to pay them to solve the issues CLIM has with it
asciilifeform: let, then, gabriel_laddel waste half a decade , as i did, learning what he could instead learn in 10min.
asciilifeform: i use all sorts of junk.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: until i want to send a pcb print to a laser printer.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm not sure what "job" you have in mind, but suspect it is different from the one I have in mind
phf: gabriel_laddel: i understand your end goal, but the steps that you're taking to get there are going to result in worse design. you'd be better served in understanding clx first, making ~that~ work well by working to its strengths, and then replacing clx with own system. by then you'll have a snappier system and less primitives to write. i highly recommend spinning up VLM/genera and seeing how they do unix interop. it's really quite
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: it is not yet clear as I don't know enough about the kernel to know if I can do away with the whole "user space" thing.
asciilifeform: and what happens if i want to rasterize on a device that isn't my lcd ? (e.g., printer, phototypesetter, lcd on mars..?)
gabriel_laddel: though tbh, I plan on paying someone else to do much of this
gabriel_laddel: phf: I intend to do away with the whole notion of "client & server" in rendering for CLIM
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't show up at fella's house with megaphone.
gabriel_laddel: and run the various simulations that I have to run
gabriel_laddel: but I need a stable platform from which to redesign computing from the ground up
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I have woken up and realized this?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm looking forward to seeing what happens when you wake up and realize that this applies to the entire linux.
gabriel_laddel: phf: that's not what I'm saying. truetype is in CL. McCLIM is 100% CL. But it /communicates/ with X, which has cario and all this other nonsense integrated with it, and it's causing problems.
phf: gabriel_laddel: you're saying that mcclim has FFI to cairo/freetype/opengl, i don't think that's true, care to link to relevant code
mircea_popescu: i guess it's not obvious ;/
gabriel_laddel: phf: sorry, what exactly is unclear about what I'm saying?
phf: last time i checked there wasn't cairo/freetype/etc. in mcclim to begin with
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: you're going to be waiting a while in any case, so I wouldn't get to worked up about it.
phf: asciilifeform: i don't know why gabriel_laddel is saying what he's saying. truetype has already been rewritten in lisp, and that's what mcclim uses for fancy truetype rendering. it's expensive as hell, and equally pointless.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: which is to say, if i cannot connect over network to machine across the planet and have the window FILL THE ALLOTED SPOT on my display, CORRECTLY, 'replacement' is junk.
gabriel_laddel: all of the business that I do inbetween now and then is simply churn to get there
phf: oh for fucks say, client side font rendering. welcome to 2002, can i fuck up your stack
asciilifeform: i suppose in abstract you can 'make money' with anything
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I am already paid to make money with it
gabriel_laddel: on my dead harddrive there is a bunch of half-implemented useful things like clim-spec-in-clim, the "navigator" which is a reflective search apropos, I've taken climacs and made it usable for day-to-day work...
asciilifeform: i dun even recall tt being ~in~ the picture in '07.
gabriel_laddel: don't worry about it, I'm taking care of it
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: redid the website, removed all the crap backends, gas2serra fixed a threading bug that caused irritating visual artifacts, I went through the whole of the CLIM archives and pulled out all the useful info, the codebase has been totally re-ordered, truetype is now the default, bugfixes relating to not pulling in the correct X keyboard
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform best i could tell they... started.
asciilifeform: (you have a spiffy www but the clim looks much as i found it in 2007)
mircea_popescu: hey, understand, i'm not knocking you/it or anything. jus' sayin'.
gabriel_laddel: have had to quash them as best I can
mircea_popescu: yeah, i can see that one :)
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: that's one perspective. another is that I'm extrodinarily lucky that they're doing anything useful on mcclim at all
gabriel_laddel: were I in charge of fundraising, I'd not be doing it as an anon anyways but rather calling syscog, ravenspack etc and trying to get donations in the 10ks rather than pocket change, but w/e
gabriel_laddel: also, jackdaniel is a pleb / etherhuffer (at least politically, and I really appreciate his work on mcclim)
gabriel_laddel: I'm not in charge of fundraising, talk to beach re this.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... why handle donations in shitcoin in the first place.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I want the wwwtron
mircea_popescu: whether os or not os needn't be resolved ; but gabriel_laddel should be able to acquire a copy i say!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the one alf linked, i know no other.
mircea_popescu: i imagine he gets it by default.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo mind if i write a qntra detailing justice holman's breach of the european declaration of human rights and other matters ?
mircea_popescu: thanks phf, i have been entertained by last night's party
mircea_popescu: i'd fucking call a hit. what the fucking shit is this. omfg.
mircea_popescu: "I have to say that I do not find it very ediffying that people in this financial bracket should be taking up a day of court time over a sum which to them, though not to others, is objectively so small. However, agreement has not been reached and I must rule." << HOLY SHIT
asciilifeform: i have deeply nfi
mircea_popescu: i know of no us-born individual of similar accomplishment as that armenian.
mircea_popescu: http://www.lastnightsparty.com/another1/slides/8Y0A2881.JPG << ahaha lol oops, i take it back. they got blondes. from 1970. check out the ex trophy wife!
phf: i think blonds are out at the moment, everyone wants a quirky hipster brunete, miami only makes it worse with all the latinos. i know a few blonds that actually color their hair. it's trully barbaric age up here.
mircea_popescu: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02131/_Cristina-Kirchne_2131773b.jpg << AOW, ftr.
mircea_popescu: the tits are superb, btw, best silicone i've seen in a while.
phf: ahaha, i know people with such ridiculous k tolerance, i'd like to see cops shoot at them
mircea_popescu: "now she can go off the pill, and i have an elite highschore!" "sweet!"