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mircea_popescu: you're going
to "imagine we use gpg
to sign
transactions on
the client side so even if
the attacker gets your server
there's jack shit he can do as he can't enter arbitrary
txs" ?
davout: i'm going
to stop right here, you know where i'm going
davout: (that he can have automatically generated client-side, or generate himself
that's not really
the question)
davout: imagine
that each user gets an ECDSA keypair when signing up for a service
davout: ok,
take it one step further now
davout: mircea_popescu: it's just software, it doesn't do magic, so if
the devs decide
to
throw
the
table over
there's only so much it can do
mircea_popescu: and
then end up with a lot of single-chain useless coins presumably.
davout: mircea_popescu: i'm not saying
the contrary, believe it or not but i
think your security model makes a shitton of sense and i'm
trying
to find a way
to get
the best of it while not sacrificing convenience
too much either
mircea_popescu: where people keep feeding you one-chain
transactions and
then request returns which you process as both-chains
transactions
davout: mircea_popescu: blockchain split is irrelevant as your incoming
transactions are either accepted, or confirmed, but in
the case
the confirmations count for a given
tx was reduced you'd be notified since
the field would be defined as "allowed
to change only for a bigger integer"
mircea_popescu: not
to say your
thing is necessarily useless, but i'd guess it's a part of what i linked rather
than
the other way around ya know ? :D
davout: mircea_popescu: it doesn't really help
to run your code in both places since what your code does is it runs your app, it doesn't continuously check for someone fucking with your data
davout: asciilifeform:
this has absolutely nothing
to do with bitcoind
davout: in my personal case it's going
to be one server, a couple of online auditors, and one offline instance
that gets DB backups manually fed
to
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
that was my next q, why not just run your code both places as is
mircea_popescu: where x = your server +
the machine you're running davoutd on
davout: mircea_popescu: no,
the security boils down
to "unless an attacker can simultaneously fuck with X auditors he can't do shit"
mircea_popescu: and it's unlikely an attacker will get
tio mess with both
davout: asciilifeform:
that's one of
the possibilities
mircea_popescu: so basically
the security comes from using
two separate machines
davout: because you can set custom rules for it, like check
that incoming
transactions actually exist on
the bitcoin network
mircea_popescu: but getting back on
track, so i buy your product. now what.
davout: was ruby mean
to you in some way ?
davout: i guess i'll just have
to show it when it's finished
davout: you're mean popescu, i'm
taking my
toys and i'm going home
mircea_popescu: dude srsly. automated security ? what is
this, star
trek ?
davout: mircea_popescu:
the rest being an actual non-imaginary product
that we're going
to use
to secure our very own infrastructure
davout: mircea_popescu: yea, but
that's only part of what i was
thinking about
ozbot: Probably
the hottest business idea of
the moment in BTC… pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
KRS: btc is only a little more useful
than just a money
transfer vehicle
mircea_popescu: davout should i find my old article about it or you search on
tyour own ?
davout: do you guys
think
there is a market for a bitcoin-space company specializing in IT security related products/consulting?
davout: issues with
the MSB license in whatev state Boston is in ? REGULATORY PROBLEM OFFICER??
ozbot: BitInstant has cut off
the ability
to buy bitcoins in certian locations. I am in boston and i was ha
pigeons: well since ya'll reccomended reddit, i learned
that one of
the secret locations bitinstant is not allowing bitcoin purchases from is Boston
davout: and somehow use it
to
trade BTC
davout: what's
the drill with it ? have heard about it but as far as I understand
they simply sell gift cards
jborkl: I came back
to see KRS
talking about eating asshole
jborkl: do not know if you have seen
that yet
mircea_popescu: 10 fucking years ago we didn't even see
the outrageous humour in it
KRS: oh no now i have
to listen
to it
too..damnit
mircea_popescu: ok, i rephrase. so you can
taste her sweet
tears while...
davout: why am i not more shocked by what
the romanian says ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if you could have a girl's head sewn in backwards so you can kiss her while fucking her in
the ass.
KRS: its possible..but how good could
the job be...meh
ozbot: assbot did me in
the ass, reports ozbot - Pastebin.com
davout: good,
the forums show us
that
there are plenty available bodies
jcpham: at least
the realy chats are intelligent
ozbot: First-ever human head
transplant is now possible, says neuroscientist – Quartz
davout: the idiots of
the forums are percolating
jcpham: i haven't been
there in ages!
davout: jcpham: you go
too much on
the forums :-)
jcpham: bitcoin got dumber over
the weekend i'm sure of it
davout: bourvil is pretty high on
the ladder of non-awesomeness
jcpham: bitcoin makes me angry
today
davout: people have so many misconceptions about
the law and what it says and doesn't say
davout: mircea you're like
tintin
davout: you were referring
to our bitwhatever friend
davout: there is no such
thing as "bitcoin" anyway
mircea_popescu: and
talk all about how "bitcoin regulations", happily ignoring
the fact
that... nope. exactly
the reverse.
mircea_popescu: they're passing it back and forth but only among
themselves,
mircea_popescu: teh presumptious elite (ie,
teh artists) got nothing.
teh "peasants" actually got
the goods.
mircea_popescu: with a bunch of peasants.
they keep passing back and forth
terrine and jambon and whatnot
mircea_popescu: there's
this scene, famished
theatre company (incl
two hawt soubrettes) in a
train
davout: the last one i got wasn't
that well done
davout: haha for a split second i
thought kakobrekla disabled
the feature
bitcollapse: people are applying laws
to bitcoin
that do not exist