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cads: to my
thought,
this could easily reduce
the legitimacy of your store
cads: your store says "we now
take drugs as payment!"
mircea_popescu: like, not go
to a restaurant because
they
take both visa and maestro and you hjate maestro ? lol.
mircea_popescu: nobody will NOT use a service
they were going
to use because
there's more ways
to pay
than
the one
they use
mircea_popescu: anyway, i've yet
to comprehend
this. i
think paying attention
to what people say (like on
their own shitty blogs) is a waste.
cads: and analyze
the conversion rate
cads: simply give a small percentage of your customers
the option
to use bitcoin
cads: and
this could be fairly discreet
cads: I have an idea of how a webstore could
test what effect bitcoin support has on its conversion rate
cads: I'm wondering if
there's any business data available here.
jurov: and
there's
that "it's just ponzi" kind
cads: but
then a webstore catering
to early adopters,
techies, and people with an anarchocapitalist bent, I'm sure bitcoin support can be a boon.
cads: worst,
there has been
talk about government sanctions of
the digital currency - lots of regular late adopters and conservative
types instinctively avoid it
cads: mircea_popescu:
there is a large fraction of regular people
that are instinctively mistrustful of bitcoin -
there has been
talk of people using it for
tax evasion and money laundering,
there is bitcoin's use in
the silk road
that leaves a bad
taste in most people's mouths.
cads: if your customers are
techies,
there's a good chance
that adding
that bitcoin payment button will increase customer conversion rates even in customers
that don't use bitcoin
emptyeddepended: do you
think so? i'd say it depends on
the website. if it's filled with hundreds of shady payment choices, it's not good anyway, but i see no reason
to not accept bitcoin. most people don't know about it and
the worst reaction which could happen might be "what? bitcoin? isn't
that
the internet currency? wow.. it really gets attention nowadays"
cads: in
the case of bitcoin, in
the current atmosphere, web store owners might worry
that adding bitcoin payment options might de-legitimize
their business in
the eyes of many customers
cads: in
the last case, at some point, store owners may have feared
that accepting credit cards might not bring enough customers
to justify
the cost of
the machine
cads: or by
traditional stored considering accepting credit card payment in addition
to cash payments
cads: I'm sure similar questions have been asked in
the past by vendors considering adding, for example, a paypal payment option
to
their webstore
cads: and vice versa - when would regular customers be more likely
to purchase from you because
they see
that you also
take bitcoin?
cads: one basic question - when would offering bitcoin
tend
to scare off regular customers?
cads: hey has anyone done a study about
the marketing impact
that offering bitcoin payments in webstores has on
traditional payments?
jurov: no, from
this recent one. got it from nejc's
twitter
mircea_popescu: is
this from
the first ever second conference in london ?
benkay: ugh
that's not coming across correctly
benkay: "Note,
they DO pay-out small
transactions, in hope
that you
TRUST
them with MORE MONEY.
Them who? Russian and German Mafia? Potheads? Mexican Cartell?"
furuknap: "I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again;
their are 3 main users of Bitcoin.
The Money cleaners/tax evaders.
Those involved in non-legal activities.
The Greedy." I'll pick '"none of
the above" for 200, Alex.
Namworld: Or other similar confusing
tactics
Blastbob: maybe, been dealing with google alot before.
They use every little error
to fuck with you
Namworld: If, for example,
they put an ad unit right over/under navigation links and styled
them so
they look similar/identical,
that would be against
their rules,
tho
Namworld: and I
think
they have a 3 google ads units per page limit...
Namworld: Still, ad units spliting
the
text isn't banned either per se...
Namworld: I refreshed
tho, now it's a large unit.
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone gives a shit about some obscure blogger
that knows shit he doesn't understand.
Blastbob: The above
the fold setup is one big ad for me
Blastbob: thats
the same size as
the left and right ones
Namworld: The nature of
the content or an excess of ad units can be, however, I believe.
Blastbob: you dont see
the one in
the middle also?
Namworld: I'm not quite sure 2 banners, one on each side, is ground
to a ban...
Blastbob: if you report
that setup
to google,
they might get banned
mircea_popescu: i've noticed
this, miost of
the "real
truth" sites have horrible ad arrangements.
mircea_popescu: "Is, and always will be a scam… You can’t even find a real answer about bitcoins, even after you dig for hours
through hundreds of links. Useless programs, useless dead sites, useless"
jimmy2k: and about
things like accusing
the phishing victims for not
taking care of
their data
jimmy2k: I just asked him some stuff about my situation and what moves would be best
to do next
jimmy2k: I wont use a lawyer for doing research since i dont
think he can help me here much
jimmy2k: mircea_popescu, you are right.
the police anyway doesnt cost me money
mircea_popescu: you will spend way more
than 22k on legal fees over
the next decade.
mircea_popescu: let me explain something
to you. if you are named as an accessory
to identity
theft computer fraud etc,
jimmy2k: so i
think
this is not dangerous for me.
the only
thing is really
to get my fu... money back
jimmy2k: yes, but
the data was posted in
the chat
too and i can prove
that i only logged in after receivinig
the data from him
jimmy2k: I
told
this
the police so
that i am free of any danger
mircea_popescu: you logging in from your home links you
to
the phishing he was doing.
jimmy2k: after i was in I felt
that here is something strange going on and immediately logged of
jimmy2k: yes, because I
thought
thats a joke or something and just wanted
to
try it. Also I
thought if it would be fraud why should he provide me
this info
to cause suspision. so i
thought i just log in and check. i mean i couldnt do anything without
the
tans anyway
mircea_popescu: payment, so
that I can be sure
that I will receive
the money on
the next day! After
that a really strange
thing happened! He sent me
the login data for his clients online banking account and
told me I should just log in and check for a proof!
This was completely suspicious
to me and I immediately decided
to go
to
the police
the next day...
Then everything changed...
jimmy2k: yeah friday of last week was
the chargeback of
the money from
the first
transaction
jimmy2k: last week friday was
the freezing of my bank account and
the accusation against me
jimmy2k: last week wednesday i
think
ozbot: 22000 USD SCAM because of Phishing and Bank
Transfer Chargeback
mircea_popescu: o looky, americans are starting
to wise up
to
the fact
the dollar inflation is about 10% a year.
ozbot: Say Hello
to Inflation, Inflation is Dead | Zero Hedge
mircea_popescu: imagine how it must suck
to be nicely minding your own business atop some choice canadian pussy at 1 in
the morning when suddenly
they want you
to move!!!
Namworld: That's kinda remote
town... but ouch.
Namworld: It just exploded? Someone nuked
the city of Quebec?
Namworld: If I were?
The city or
the province?
ozbot: Margin Calls Coming On US
Too-Big-To-Fail Banks | Zero Hedge
jimmy2k: is
theymos sometimes here?
ozbot: If you’re using WP Super Cache… pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
parseval: Eventually I want
to get entirely on
the APIs, but not all of
the sites have APIs with historic data..
that shouldn't be a problem now, so I can implement streaming from
the websockets or something
to be less dependent on
the irc bots
parseval: Yeah, pretty much. I poll
the API for BTC-TC and have an irc bot
to monitor
the bitfunder and bitcoin-assets bot announcements
parseval: Performance wise it's not
the greatest, but
there's cpython and such