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benkay: call functions client-side in ClojureScript and execute
them on
the server in Clojure
cads: been
thinking of scala for
that
benkay: interop with all of
the
things!
cads: I
tried it a few years back
cads: benkay:
tell me about your experience with clojure?
benkay: yeah, i wouldn't put
that in
the evaluation matrix
cads: ... it's an immature reason
to judge
the language
cads: really my one peeve with python is
that its asshole creator once made a statement completely discounting lambdas
benkay: if you're a func-y, just spend
the
time
to learn clojure.
cads: it's got lambdas and other
things
that evoke
the feeling of functional programming
cads: ruby has always been a convenience
thing - object oriented programming is much more light weight and actually
tolerable compared
to, say, java or (god forbid) c++
benkay: if you just want
to write passable code and pull down paychecks...
benkay: that is if you want
to get good at
the
thing
benkay: your problem is picking a language
to live and breathe for
the next n
time periods
cads: I mean, I love ruby, and with JRuby I might be able
to expect decent runtimes - I know python is compiled now and is supposed
to be blazing
mircea_popescu: like half of
the bitcoin heists are
traceable
to ruby being a promiscuous piece of shit
benkay: you can
totally learn
to code your biz site, bro!
benkay: it's great for
the web,
though!
benkay: ruby really ain't
that great for?stuff.
cads: so it may be
time
to speak python, period
benkay: i recently switched wholesale
to clojure
cads: python might be a good language
to cast my lot with
benkay: ruby webdev lends itself
to a "ship yesterday and fuck knowing why it works" mentality
cads: I've just been lucky
to be introduced
to ruby by a very philosophical and zen person, I guess
benkay: if you want documentation and community and all
that feel-good stuff, python's not a bad place
to be
cads: the site I'm
thinking of is simple dimple :)
cads: so my own nfc android app might be in
the cards one day
cads: and I'm working on an open source project with
the programmer
that programmed
tagstand's NFC app
cads: I don't
think
that store has any particularly challenging engineering
cads: I don't want
to innovate for now
cads: here's what I'd like
to imitate
ozbot: NFC
Tags and Applications -
Tagstand
benkay: some languages lend
themselves
to developer productivity
benkay: but at
the end of
the day, languages are just languages, and anything you can do in one you can do in another
benkay: if you're doing webdev in
the states and want
to invest in skills
that will be attractive
to
the people who hire devs and dev
teams, i would avoid php.
benkay: heh. are you looking
to become a magento expert? you can probably make more money doing
that
than operating your own store.
cads: yeah,
this is
the first webstore I'd be building
cads: i like
the idea of magento since it's got a big community and good documentation
benkay: which, man, i have no idea how rigorously you want
to build your store
cads: and
this is probably my inexperience speaking
cads: to be honest I don't really see many reasons
to swing one way or another at
this point
benkay: ruby works just fine (again, premature optimization alert), but it's incredibly easy
to make a non-performant site in it
cads: being
that I'm a semi-rubyist, in
the short
term I might like a ruby based option
cads: in
the long run I might prefer
the PHP route rather
than derp around with effete rubyists
benkay: do you need
to be able
to hire dirt-cheap PHP jockeys or will you and your friends maintain it yourself?
benkay: if you don't mind hiring "experts" from all around
the world
to make your application dance, it's probably a solid choice
benkay: and aside from
the conceived-in-hell EAV data store
they fucked up
benkay: i just wrapped an epic migration from magento 1.3 community
to enterprise
cads: I know
there are a few ruby/rails based options,
cads: I haven't even run it - I have a lot more experience with wordpress, but
that experience makes me want
to stay away from using WP as a storefront
benkay: plus php is not a great choice for us-based dev
teams
benkay: and aside from
the conceived-in-hell EAV data store
they fucked up
benkay: i just wrapped an epic migration from magento 1.3 community
to enterprise
cads: sure, what are you
thoughts behind
that?
benkay: but have nothing
to suggest in its place :(
cads: actually,
tag stand is
the only example I can cite, here in
the US
cads: sites like
tagstand.com have been successful (I don't know how successful) offering an inventory of NFC
tags at low volume/high cost, at
the same
time as offering a free NFC based
task manager app
jurov: cads,
that could be successful if more btc-related service, such as (example idea) nfc
tags with vanity addresses
cads: for now I'm just playing around with webstore
techs -
thinking of magento, and, funny enough, shopify :)
cads: benkay: I don't
think
they'll have much room
to complain, as long as I don't link customers from
the ebay store
to my store
benkay: I imagine eBay won't be
terribly pleased
to hear
that you accept payment methods
they don't get a slice of...
cads: benkay: right now I just have some
tags in
the mail,
that I'll be putting up on an associate's existing ebay store
cads: the idea is just, you know, offer bitcoin payment as something
to differentiate us from other stores selling NFC
tags
benkay: (just because lots of people do a
thing does not mean
that it is a good idea. data answers
that.)
Blastbob: Biggest
tech site in norway accepts bitcoin for "premium" account
cads: benkay: an NFC
tag webstore
that also
takes bitcoin
jurov: and maybe also ask yourself if your service will be used by people who can't/don't want
to use credit card or paypal
jurov: you heard some names,
try asking
there
cads: numbers will be nice, I
think we'll all agree
cads: I'm sure
that various hybric bitcoin/traditional vendors have done
that in a phase before adding bitcoin support, and I'm willing
to hazard it generally
the experiment is a positive for most vendors
that even considers adding BTC support
benkay: out of
the weird forest of novelty doesn't mean anything when
trying
to figure out affect of widget implementation on bounce rates
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 69.79976, Best ask: 70.35900, Bid-ask spread: 0.55924, Last
trade: 70.36499, 24 hour volume: 41641.06437256, 24 hour low: 66.81190, 24 hour high: 74.99997, 24 hour vwap: 70.17329
jurov: in wp case
the buzz looked overwhelmingly positive
mircea_popescu: so yeah, you're hardly in
the weird forrest of novelty here.
mircea_popescu: so far namecheap is
taking btc, i have yet
to hear any bitchin'.
benkay: has anyone
tested impact of accepting btc on conversion rates?
emptyeddepended: here is another scenario: let's say people do
think bitcoin is bad. what do you
think would happen, if amazon.com announces
they start accepting btc?
benkay: let's reframe
then, shall we?
jurov: point of contention is different
than worrying
benkay: data is
the ultimate arbiter
benkay: split
test all
the
things
cads: this is not a bad
thing, don't
treat me as if I'm
trying
to rain on some parade
cads: I'm simply proposing an experiment, and suggesting
that my real life experience interviewing various people (people who are _not_, as a rule, very connected
to
the social network sphere or
the blogsphere) suggests
that BTC is a point of contention for many people.
jurov: it
tries
to show most influential news. you can check whether
they are pos or neg
jurov: we have google
trends and other stuff you can actually use
jurov: cads, you're now just pulling numbers out of
the ass
cads: at least here in
the states,
the average person may be more optimistic in europe
cads: My point being
that
the average person who has a 50% chance of not having hear about bitcoin at all, will, if you ask
them about it, with 80% probability
tell you
that what
they've heard about it is worrying
jurov: there was much bigger
talk about
that winklevoess etf nonsense
cads: emptyeddepended: I dunno,
there was
talk about BTC receiving scrutiny from a US financial regulatory body recently
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone cares.
the recent internet bullshit
trying
to bother some restaurant resulted in more customers rather
than less.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure
there's idiots boycotting
this or
that because
they kill bunnies or w/e.