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ben_vulpes: buttonwood_: you can't trust people that you don't trust. end of story.
mats: its not a real thing, buttonwood_.
decimation: buttonwood_: do you work for the economist?
decimation: !up buttonwood_
mircea_popescu: and now time for me to leave you in teh company of pantsless gal. http://40.media.tumblr.com/30be7e529761c4abe5e30f096eadbe75/tumblr_nhrrym8nc71tkm6r8o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> once you sign out of an output, it's out. < o.O
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah. im just saying, if it's ambiguous, then it's ambiguous.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes is this "bitcoin as it should be" or "bitcoin as it is to be inferred from current codebase"
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> jurov i thought we were discussing bitcoin as a spec, rather than bitcoin as a hack. <<
ben_vulpes: !up buttonwood_
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes all that needs to be done is verify that a tx input matches a previously included output, and that the block was valid.
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2015 00:53:08; mircea_popescu: let me model this for a moment.
jurov: mircea_popescu: pls closer describe your idea of checking the transaction. maybe there lies the problem
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes by all means.
jurov: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_rules#.22tx.22_messages
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it needs to retrieve arbitrary blocks. why txn specifically ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: but it also means it will relay all shit imaginable, you regard it as convenience otherwise?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes once a transaction is proposed, the software has two options. 1) "oh , this looks like a tx involving inputs i remember were valid" and 2) "these are the inputs. check. these are their sources. check. these are their sources. check. this is the coinbase. check. ok."
jurov: and to do it you need to find all the inputs, if i understand ben_vulpes correctly
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> bitcoind should broadcast verifiable txn submitted to it. <<
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so then how "not really" ?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> txn are verifiable aren't they. << not really. transaction only includes txid of previous transaction which itself has the pubkey required for validation.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how long does a "rescan" take these days?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i am agreeing yes
jurov: ben_vulpes: what is meant by "cough up transaction"?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't know that the thing needs to cough up *any* transaction on demand. << one can make his own emacs scripts do whatever one wants. notthe job of emacs to provide a preloaded button for arbitrary tasks.
mats: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=723_1421956190
ben_vulpes: salud, pete_dushenski
mthreat: even the damn catholic church had a backdoor in AES. https://mjos.fi/doc/gavekort_kale.pdf
davout: ben_vulpes: apple numbers is unsuited for math either, it uses floats...
mircea_popescu: http://cdn.collarspace.com/photos/tn/tn_1927835p07.jpg?11152013052916 << them.
punkman: great set of photos http://www.brainparking.com/view/topic.cfm?key_or=1241034&rate_old=10&type=49&lenta_type=3
Bagels7: I think I think you are sexist Micea_popescu
mircea_popescu: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/25_notes-on-increasing-the-maximum-bitcoin-block-size-or-why-it-aint-happenin.html << hey ben_vulpes did gavin ever respond to that one ?
punkman: http://36.media.tumblr.com/ddd24abce6f5955b395f09174b57e033/tumblr_nhxg7iISA81tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg << hey I've been there!
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/9695a3751ab2896b73f0f598fc9ad859/tumblr_nh80q1PqyT1txyk7vo1_1280.jpg << legs, also.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/851963a501c61811525c8a5faae9c63c/tumblr_nhobtbJiel1tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg << hands by request.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/c55d10880cb8563c4af9aa53724bddc8/tumblr_ng7e3sebuM1tkz70so1_1280.jpg << you mean like that ?
mircea_popescu: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/11/09_the-bitcoin-foundation-or-la-serenissima-tilts-at-windmills-or-so-you-want-to-hack-on-bitcoin-or-the-bitcoin-tax.html
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/ddd24abce6f5955b395f09174b57e033/tumblr_nhxg7iISA81tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 2 months and 24 days. Estimated cost today: 8.14434281 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes more stupider.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] "the people" are simply stupider than they were even twenty years ago. << stupider? or more?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] ben_vulpes, possibly other folks who work on apple machines: http://www.mondaynote.com/2015/01/18/apple-software-quality-questions << tell me about it
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] danielpbarron: << handcrafted coffee now? << this actually is a thing. I've had it in CR. It looks say like : http://trilema.com/2011/chestii-pe-care-mi-le-doresc-dar-nu-le-voi-putea-gasi-niciodata/ << actually how all decent coffee is made
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: you money and my money ain't the same damn kind
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski runny colors are pretty much the identifying mark of this here cunt
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: echo, echooo, echooooo
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_SS-TyXhhU
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 2 months and 24 days. Estimated cost today: 8.16685513 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tixaa/got_pulled_over_and_my_trezor_was_confiscated/ << how is this not news yet?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: random: you would like the show shameless.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu tbh your post went a bit off the rails when you started ranting about niggers, but otherwise reasonably well put together
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tixaa/got_pulled_over_and_my_trezor_was_confiscated/
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, et al : these boxes won't be ready for battlefield until seeding patch.
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/5f843d5cc376e98d317f5bc7ff69259c/tumblr_ni19lxkUQC1tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: i was actually going to suggest that ben_vulpes et. al. run an ntp server.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu likes visible ribs, or what
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7vlhQ22u1qejludo1_1280.jpg << on their arms and knees.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://40.media.tumblr.com/8e788c436213452d04f56f5664ca46e3/tumblr_ncbcyt46ni1sffpvxo1_1280.jpg << now there is a REAL burning man!
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/fc6d2e7f75c34047e678136f8a410e8a/tumblr_nhm7344vEM1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski that is the lol.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: please, desert trolls
mircea_popescu: Alina-malina jewish people. like pete_dushenski
Alina-malina: mircea_popescu, positive
Alina-malina: hi mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'alt' is, iirc, called 'option' on apple box.
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: judge who threw confused girl in jail for 4 years << nope he is a yale grad http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/11/14/president-obama-nominates-seven-united-states-district-courts
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: apple's config thing has built-in key mapper
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: sizzlingkeys ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the customary mapping, iirc, is capslock->ctrl, ctrl->cmd, alt->option
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: second-system effect << almost invariably discussed in the context of 'multics'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: another $5 or so buys converter box
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what i utterly fail to grasp is why the 'unicomp' is even a thing, when actual 'model m' can be had for 20-50 usd. in working condition (if perhaps in need of a bath)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: which apple keyboard did you own ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha i recall that one.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: article is not the first i hear out of serious, habitual apple users re: decay.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, possibly other folks who work on apple machines: http://www.mondaynote.com/2015/01/18/apple-software-quality-questions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'мобильные телесистемы' in istanbul ?
mircea_popescu: full frontal nudity bonus. http://36.media.tumblr.com/e17b9153048c244a2c4a68997593b202/tumblr_nhm729fUOJ1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: moscow ?
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/addde248b78033ce14ccb684bff5ff42/tumblr_nhazkgYfhG1u4e2kko1_1280.jpg
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2015 02:41:17; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, cazalla, mircea_popescu, qntra folks: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/01/23/barrett-browns-prison-time-raises-cybersecurity-journalism-concerns << today this fella went off to jail.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard: ^ definitive proof b-a is not a cult << butt...butt... we promote hate ?
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/1705c63468ab1e5af3c770bc6eb89c65/tumblr_ni7pehJCqL1rw3hono1_r1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: aaaand http://33.media.tumblr.com/0ee0e58d76da664fe9c7288051642922/tumblr_ni7pehJCqL1rw3hono2_r1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/3767e6b09e411d8db5bc2a3e55af4e7a/tumblr_ni7pehJCqL1rw3hono3_r1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/59fee21963c8e285b4ce9428ccf2660f/tumblr_nht66jrgBh1st57i5o1_1280.jpg
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu has the best porn
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/095d09d13fd16b21cbfde1fba0729073/tumblr_ni23dyWjR51t0px1fo1_1280.jpg
thestringpuller: da boy ain't rite Pierre_Rochard
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard: I'll tell u whuuut
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.Blazedout419.-1:d28e9ad9ae166d0437b767c3aab2568097ab1e4ee6d43b46233e1a05bda33db4
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/9d28d4ad096b4bd06088985a5eabaf2e/tumblr_nhzgcshiHy1tkka62o1_1280.jpg also, jizz.
badon: mircea_popescu: Yes, make my own flower, peanut butter, etc.
mircea_popescu: s/dumb vice shit/ http://41.media.tumblr.com/918ee965797f2645cc4d39d6f202684b/tumblr_ni6isl6ve51tkiwgwo1_1280.jpg
fluffypony: http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/blockhains-first-citizen-328
badon: hi mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linguistic mega-lol >> http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B1%D0%BB%D1%8F%D0%B4%D0%B8