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snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:23:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926527 << also jhvh1 and a111 please. and i guess candilust & tb0t eventually, though not yet. oh and "nsabot" is actually "snsabot" for some reason, i guess let's stick to it.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:23:02 diana_coman: I wish though I could actually access your blog from machine-other-than-toilet

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926581 << i'ma guess the dynamic ip thing is the headache there. i'ma be moving the www soon, tho. as soon as i figure out to where...

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:06:11 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, speaking of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926225 : hanbot is taking teenaged / twentysomething females meeting the pizdi bill ; i presume asciilifeform is taking highly intelligent, shy & introverted males age-irrespective, math grad student prototype while diana_coman is taking inquisitive teenagers age irrespective and BingoBoingo latam... fema

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926567 << in practice asciilifeform will work with anyone who has hands growing from the right organ; but the folx mircea_popescu described are more likely to end up in #a, i suspect indeed

PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926544 << what I was pointing at ^, bot did not read. Is there a reason btcbase and nosuchlabs logs do not cut the day at the same point?

billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926726 << thanks for looking, i'm about to leave town for a few days but will try to respond on my blog over the weekend

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 00:44:50 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: I can't decrypt the invoice - it is encrypted to a key I don't have.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:32:00 trinque: incidentally I have records of every IRC message deedbot has ever seen.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926606 << idk about you, but I have some amusing logs of messages to auctionbot.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926582 << a111? I mean, btcbase.org IS still live and loggin'. But okay, done. Call commands "!~" and "!#" available again and directory updated

lobbes: But I'll still make a vpatch after this znc-eating work once I'm done. Should not take long anyways, so why not

lobbes: In my case, the cost of the iron getting popped and my bots losing their private keys did not seem high (really, I'd just make a new bot key and sign it from mine). Still, as I said, probably not ideal, especially when spyked already has the proper otp solution published.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926600 << not in my mind; already on my iron. Like I said, it isn't an ideal system (there is a thread somewhere already on this), but both of my bots have their respective (dundundun) private keys sitting on the iron. I issue a command and the bots go and do the decrypting.

lobbes: phf: the znc eater, if I am corrent in understanding, is for backfilling the other castle logs (#a, #o, #e, etc.)

phf: btcbase will continue running the way it has been so far, and i will continue putting vpatches into patches at least until there's a replacement

phf: there's no need to znc, the entire archive of logs is available here: http://btcbase.org/log-raw/ with 2016-03.txt being the last kako file. the only outlier is tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt which is the dump mircea_popescu gave me of the prehistoric logs, which i have a custom reader for.

phf: asciilifeform: i'll genesis you the logger in the next two weeks. i'd rather you not waste time on it though. the design predates castles, so making it multichannel might be excessive amount of work. it's idiosyncratic, a product of the conversations from four years ago. your current approach seems a lot more solid.

lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 week, 4 days, 13 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> will [http://btcbase.org/patches] [patch viewer] ever get [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924501] [fed] !? and how about [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924232] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last 60 seconds; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. ?! where didja go, phf ? feeding the fish ?

phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926224 << perhaps quarter dead, but days go to going to hospital for daily wounds dressing, sleeping a lot and going for walks, i have another sugery on monday to close me up.

mircea_popescu: not that i invented it, it's what rimbaud did, it's what plenty of people've already done. not usually studied in girl school for girls, but that's entirely a diff story. and no, it doesn't usually work out.

mircea_popescu: but to answer the orig q : ~i~ would probably go to some kind of pashtun and do the http://trilema.com/2012/concurs-de-fictiune/ thing, on the solid backing of imported gold. which is why i suggested qatar to mocky, travel to establish what became pizarro etc.

spyked: mircea_popescu, it happens that I have a blogpost in the works just on that :D

spyked: lulz. apparently "friends" is somewhat popular in ro nowadays, there's marathon reruns on tv and I see all these chicks with brand t-shirts on the street... well, I'm assuming they watch it

spyked: I saw a couple of episodes in a weekend (and another couple of "big bang theory") and I got the distinct feeling of "these guys are trying to remake seinfeld with another cast and variations on the ol' premise". i.e. they're not jews in NY, but nerds in LA or something like that

mircea_popescu: i missed that one.

spyked: logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926609 <-- incidentally, I started reviewing twin peaks about a month ago. and the part of it that is soap opera has aged horribly, while the part that is "david lynch mindfuck poetry" I still find brilliant. the man has a way of stirring frustration, I suspect he does it intentionally most of the time

mircea_popescu: i wouldn't cut that.

spyked: but I'm not sure that's the right way to go atm

spyked: my sense so far is that they (initially?) designed it to be a beast similar to Apache, rather than running behind it. it does multi-threading so it should be able to handle high loads pretty well. so if, say, I snipped the multi-threading bits out, I'd perhaps cut the code in half.

mircea_popescu: i did say it infuriates me, which it does ; but then again im not using it, so.

spyked: mircea_popescu, purely from the user's point of view, it works reliably as far as I can see. and two days ago I wrote a simple mock "comment eater" for thetarpit and was reasonably productive. I haven't found any major flaws yet, so I'll continue working through the code.

mircea_popescu: i took it as "one true computer lang", which is iffier.

spyked: mircea_popescu, re. tmsr lang: could be one of two or three (or I dunno how many) langs, as long as tmsr owns 'em. atm there's no genesis for a cl compiler/interpreter (let alone e.g. networking code a la usocket, or a curl etc.), so... inb4 "fuck you spyked, I can't even compile sbcl, how do you want me to stand up your logotron"

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 01:57:33 billymg: ^ i put together a quick POC for e2e testing on mp-wp. i have to sign off for the night and will be away from my main machine this weekend but will be checking the logs/comments if anyone has any feedback

diana_coman: onth now I still have to figure out where to stand a bot

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i noticed it too, takes a coupla secs for a longer page.

diana_coman: at refresh of bot's log page I notice the "snappy but visibly slower than phf's " aspect asciilifeform mentioned

mircea_popescu: incidentally, lobbes or billymg i guess -- if either of you feel like futzing with it, having a logger bot that spits out days formatted for mp-wp into MPWP_posts table formatted into a category so one can just plug that into their blog will prolly be fantastic.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 22:20:39 asciilifeform: lobbes: i 'cheated' by recycling components from front-end of phuctor, admittedly.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:08:42 spyked: yked and #asciilifeform, tho who knows, maybe I'll get surprised.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:42:15 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926421 <-- fwiw I personally use CL because it's the lang that allows me to eat most coad/hr; although looking at the "cl on pc is a dead end" thread, I'd throw it away without any remorse were there a "tmsr lang"

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926690 << i suspect there may be fundamental reasons for which there simply can't be such a thing as "a tmsr lang"

mircea_popescu: this is obviously a charicature, for one thing the not giving a shit works both ways, for another i'm getting old, and so following. but i suppose you get the idea -- to borrow alf's metaphore a sackfull of lymphocites ain't getting very far in life.

mircea_popescu: i'm the sort of guy who ~had to think~ school is cool, or else wouldn't have gone. as a nine year old. i'm the sort of guy who told his father where to stick it. as a teen. there's currently a whole regiment of women literally dedicating their life to interfacing as much of the world as possible so i don't start burning it down, because yes, absolutely, the moment i'm not happy with how things are going there i am, jerry c

spyked: yked and #asciilifeform, tho who knows, maybe I'll get surprised.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:16:10 mp_en_viaje: also spyked, you never said anything re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926226 ; is #spyked something you're serious about or not just yet ? i don't mean to make that call for you by sheer accident. anyone else ? Mocky ?

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926574 <-- #spyked is currently a drop-in replacement for thetarpit comments (not for long tho, I hope) and a bot testing ground (and possibly a bit noisy because of that). otherwise it's defo open to the lordship and newbs, altho I'm not yet actively doing anything to bring the latter in. I expect there's an overlap between the types that'll pop up in #sp

diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926567 -> inquisitive teenagers age irrespective sounds about right (not that I'd turn out a hard-working, knowledgeable adult bent on doing useful work, age irrespective)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:26:19 mircea_popescu: you know i suspect i'm being ddosed ?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926684 << definitely ; hand cranked, too -- hit mp_en_viaje's last ip when i logged on this one. well, coupla minutes later, anyway.

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926462 <-- it does that indeed, as per http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/feedbot/c-feedbot.lisp.html#L8 ; heck I'll set it to 2sec if that guarantees it won't fail; but yeah, fleanode provides no actual guarantees.

spyked: also, I guess there's also the fact that despite all its problems, there's a pile of CL code (e.g. hunchentoot, cl-irc) that works... very similarly to how wordpress does the job, despite its size and other warts. maybe Ada could also find similar pieces of code for Ada, but tbh I haven't looked... yet?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:59:01 diana_coman: and ftr I have no idea why did the other bots go for lisp anyway, did I miss somewhere the rationale for it?

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926421 <-- fwiw I personally use CL because it's the lang that allows me to eat most coad/hr; although looking at the "cl on pc is a dead end" thread, I'd throw it away without any remorse were there a "tmsr lang"

mircea_popescu: you know i suspect i'm being ddosed ?

trinque: because compared to that, it's where I think I stand!

trinque: nothing man, so I hope you like my cracks about 80s movies

mp_en_viaje: now given 1-2-3, what can i answer for you ?

mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"

mp_en_viaje: 2) i never made money, i always made power. the money was coincidental. i never made all the money there was to make or could. nor did i ever give much of a shit, i'm utterly not constructive, a world of nothing but mp will burn down.

trinque: I'm much more faces plus walls and pain tolerance.

mp_en_viaje: i don't mind saying, but keep in mind you're doing the equiv of asking columbus things about finding new continents. he ~doesn't know~. irrespective of what data may suggest, he was just there coincidentally, at right time.

mp_en_viaje: 1) i am an utterly TERRIBLE font of advice re business. i made oddles of money in SUCH improbable, unlikely venues and circumstances -- admittedly, regularly, multiply, repeadedly, but SO FUCKING UNLIKELY -- i dare not presume what works for me works in any meaningful sense.

trinque: as for me, I find myself in a mostly unintelligible froth of nonsense

mp_en_viaje: this is utterly fucking false, of course. the telegraph doesn't get in a month the daily readership of trilema. but i think the ~pervasiveness~ of the antiquated, and mistaken, worldview may rub off on people.

mp_en_viaje: while in kiev i met this brit (at the time masquerading as this local girl's sub, but w/e). as a joke, socially, i said i'm the most pretentious guy you'll ever meet, and when he asked for sauce i told him it says so right on my own blog. he found this a most excellent bon mot, "oh, that's perfect, you webpage nobody reads, not like the telegraph or something".

trinque: I don't for the record know what I'd say, cognizant that I ought to say.

trinque: he's very well. I'll ask him if he wants to dust off the voice.

mp_en_viaje: well, is he ok ? how's texas working out ? same bfast point applies, i actually checked http://cascadianhacker.com/ few times doing darkness week

trinque: I don't perceive an alternative.

trinque: I think he wanted to do more, and so I.

trinque: behold mp_en_viaje, I have brought you a particular arrangement of dorkly turds.

mp_en_viaje: it's absolutely not nearly as bad as it could be theoretically construed, which is still in from where i suspect you're pegging it atm.

trinque: ha, I was just writing a few lines re: cuntoo

mp_en_viaje: i think you're exagerating, esp re your view of cuntoo work & effects.

trinque: I'll fucking use their prebaked turd, or something fundamently not, but no incrementals ever again.

mp_en_viaje: i give it even odds ima walk into kitchen one day find it boiling peacibly on stove.

mp_en_viaje: tell hanbot about it, i got her a t450 two days ago, she's ~still~ working on it.

trinque: if this is becoming a reality, I am present for the transition to in-wot crypto, by god.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926611 << perfectly reasonable stance ; never seen anything wrong with it (which is also why i never said anything about it).

mp_en_viaje: see what i did there ? :D

trinque: I suppose I am an extremist and I wouldn't think of ^ by myself

mp_en_viaje: i know it ~sounds~ stupid. that's the problem with reality, the fundamentals sound stupid for no reason and shit that sounds smart usually is anything but.

mp_en_viaje: and if you care, i suspect the quietness of your blog is what's giving people creeps.

mp_en_viaje: i'd very much propose a read of david lynch's biography to all the "oh, i'm unmotivated" middle class dorks.

diana_coman: trinque: cool; and yes, change of feeds was public and I had simply forgotten of it hence went to check the bot's help page.

trinque: personally I've been holding back on doing anything about the state of chats awaiting asciilifeform's crypto platform.

trinque: incidentally I have records of every IRC message deedbot has ever seen.

trinque: I'll correct the help.html to reflect.

trinque: I'm not going to stop operating the services I'm providing any time soon, and I'd inform folks present before doing so.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:35 mp_en_viaje: in other "optionality/failure" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 21:16:41 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823 << Seeing as the order was given to strike scriba from the list, I have also removed it from the TMSR bot directory (which means the command prefix "!$" is available again): http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926527 << also jhvh1 and a111 please. and i guess candilust & tb0t eventually, though not yet. oh and "nsabot" is actually "snsabot" for some reason, i guess let's stick to it.

diana_coman: I wish though I could actually access your blog from machine-other-than-toilet

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:01:01 mircea_popescu: ^ anyone else actively maintaining a castle i forgot in the list ?

mp_en_viaje: also spyked, you never said anything re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926226 ; is #spyked something you're serious about or not just yet ? i don't mean to make that call for you by sheer accident. anyone else ? Mocky ?

mp_en_viaje: such that newbies can be met with "you should talk to X" instead of "i'm not interested, go away" or EVEN WORSE "[i'm not interested] but i'm going to go through the motions anyway, out of a feeling of obligation"