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firsthousefinanc: just ask the taxi at the airport
Rulother__: What do you guys use for finding hotels, within the US.
mircea_popescu: lol that's a way.
firsthousefinanc: well my friend tried to apply to borrow and even after identifying his stuff he can't create a listing lol
mircea_popescu: maybe just a function of most people learning better, since earlier this eyar.
mircea_popescu: also notably, they're much more effectual and significantly more popular.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know who pays for the zetas.
firsthousefinanc: i haven't heard of any defaults on the otc forum since june, btcjam has really improved their shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite true, the uniforms and pomp are decorative. think of the 'Zetas' instead. more bang, fewer bucks.
ThickAsThieves: i remember when i started my first business, and i learned that *I* had to spend money/time to account for collecting Sales Taxes, and how I thought it was absurd that I had to collect money on behalf of the gov. They even give a piddly discount to the payment if you're on time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because what they do is not worth money.
firsthousefinanc: hope they didn't scam me on the btcjam loan
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what leads you to think that they won't be immediately replaced by very similarly-equipped people who can afford gas?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's exactly the point. it shall be choked into submission. like it or not, struggle as it might.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they'll go away once they have no more money to pay for gas.
ThickAsThieves: just to find the best way
ThickAsThieves: if the gov needs tax to do its job, it doesnt need 5000 ways to tax you
asciilifeform: how do you ask them to 'go away' ?
asciilifeform: remember these fellows? http://original.antiwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/923074_10151463429718859_2120246264_n.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this theory is completely false. you can't pay the good ones you lose with even legions of the shitty ones you get.
mircea_popescu: to get back to the above, the problem of separating govt infrastructure from barter exchanges is wholly the government's.
asciilifeform: ah, but at present the best infrastructure is the one built for 'persuasion' of the subjects. and liquidation, if required. the king can always import new ones.
ThickAsThieves: so the issue is that we gave them too much power and ability to give themselves more
mircea_popescu: let it take its infrastructure and go away.
mircea_popescu: NOT the other way around, emphatically so.
mircea_popescu: consequently, if the government doesn't like the deal the people are offering it it may stfu and not take it.
mircea_popescu: the point is that the people are sovereign and the government an intermeddler, not the other way around.
ThickAsThieves: you desire a world without governments then?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a point, actually.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves we can. let the government dissapear.
ThickAsThieves: can you effectively separate the value/role of the government infrastructure from barters?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you might as well speak of Soviet laws and courts re: how that country was actually run.
mircea_popescu: we're discussing this from the perspective of law and the courts, not from the perspective of the soviet administrative apparatus.
mircea_popescu: what they want to do is irrelevant however.
ThickAsThieves: like in the US, they pretty much want to tax all barter too, no?
mircea_popescu: fruits of the poisonous tree.
ThickAsThieves: couldnt he have arrived at the correct result?
mircea_popescu: that's in one line the whole profession.
ThickAsThieves: but this does not make him wrong specifically
mircea_popescu: well that's all there is to it.
mircea_popescu: but this is not news : all logical errors give the errant this magical ability.
mircea_popescu: it also has the unfortunate implication that if used it may turn anything into anything else
mircea_popescu: this is logically unsound. i don't need to do more than say that.
mircea_popescu: his statement is "x could be used as y therefore x is y"./
ThickAsThieves: you explain that it is so, and give examples of why it shouldn't be allowed, but you don't actually say why
ThickAsThieves: mp i appreciate the sentiment, do you have a simple legal perspective to show why that judge's leap is flawed?
mircea_popescu: it's not worth the legal implications.
ozbot: Simple yet effective way to troll white rich American people pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
DeaDTerra: Only 6 million shares left of the IceDrill.ASIC initial batch! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269216.msg2898310#msg2898310 purchase you share for 0.0014 BTC!
ArcticWolf: I guess the LabCoin shareholders read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg2898248#msg2898248
[1]lewicki: What was the first hint?
Rulother__: This is the daily dump, idk what to expect out of any ipo/stock at this moment lol
ThickAsThieves: here's another hint for you, it will drop below IPO too
ArcticWolf: honestly no I didnt, thats why I never bought any shares
ArcticWolf: damn labcoin is almost back to IPO
Rulother__: the one person that should of been at the q&a
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] [PAID] 1.59800000 BTC to 100`000 shares, 1598 satoshi per share
Rulother__: blah too good
Rulother__: there's this*
f0ntas: is sandstorm paying divs this week or nah?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 1.00931000 BTC to 2`018`620 shares, 50 satoshi per share
DeaDTerra: New Public shareholder protection clause added to IceDrill.ASIC for the benefit of public investors! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269216.msg2897561#msg2897561
DeaDTerra: We work on FAQ basis so we will keep posting as we formulate answers to the questions asked
jurov: deadterra, have you read today's log? any comment?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thickasthieves hey, what'd be your estimate of the total asicminer hash delivered to customers ?
jurov: i'll erect ask wall at 0.00999 and use that as practically interest-free loan
jurov: and now it came to btct.. people putting asks for CB.IDIFF-O way above max payout
pankkake: somehow the investors attention is focused on the first question only
pankkake: does the company exist? likely. are they going to produce something? maybe. will investors profit? very unlikely.
gecko_x2: i don't think so
kakobrekla: yeah, that should go to #bitcoin-scams
gecko_x2: to ask that question
kakobrekla: jurov you cant understand idiots, thats why you call em so.
jurov: kakobrekla: i'm just trying to get deeper into this mindset, cuz i don't understand
gecko_x2: anyways, is there any info of what types of layout actm is planning to use in the eAsic batch?
kakobrekla: jurov the fact he refuses to read already puts him in that category
gecko_x2: i'm prepared to wait years
jurov: you certainly would be jumpy if you had to wait for weeks... otherwise you're just a sheep, sorry
jurov: so you *did* in fct borrow bitcoins to someone
gecko_x2: especially the rolled cores
jurov: gecko_x2: are you lending bitcoins? i'll return in 2 weeks... maybe, you seem not to mind ;)
kakobrekla: well then you have lots of reading to do
gecko_x2: oh, no i don't think so
gecko_x2: things have to happen immediately or there is a riot on the boards :p
jurov: better jumpy than sorry
kakobrekla: time already did tell
gecko_x2: time will tell..
kakobrekla: his reliability is going towards 0
gecko_x2: icedrill ipo is a bust i think
kakobrekla: sure but the way he behaves and the people he was and is involved with tells a bunch
gecko_x2: well yeah that delay was not good i agree
gecko_x2: seems to me everything is done legit and according to contract
jurov: after leaving s.dice pt shareholders waiting for 2 weeks he suddenly has time for this? "Ludvig Öberg (aka DeaDTerra) is the point of contact for the IceDrill.ASIC asset and any inquiries should be sent to him."
gecko_x2: wasn't all this already stated in the prospectus?
gecko_x2: how is that anyone's business but his
gecko_x2: and wants to go into other stuff
gecko_x2: he doesn't feel like sitting by a computer for hours every week sorting out all the numbers and doing payments
gecko_x2: i don't get the problem
jurov: gecko_x2: he cannot set time off on regular basis, yet he goes into pmb business???
kakobrekla: and yeah i agree on the idiot part