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fractal: You won't see anyone with 400Gh only getting delivered -- because BSB would have
to ship
them 2 M-boards, 2 R-pi's, etc.
fractal: thats my point.
thank you.
Anduck: and he got 499 gh in
total
fractal: tyrion70: Nobody who ordered a 400Gh unit has posted recieving more
then 400Gh.... so I can't answer
that question.
Anduck: but
the people who ordered 400gh unit got >400gh at promised watts?
fractal: therefore it missed performance
targets
fractal: tyrion: Exactly,
the 400Gh unit was only 365Gh .
Anduck: well
the bet describes what means "advertised performance"
tyrion70: in
this case
the bet was for performance.. which was included in parenthesis..
tyrion70: I believe in general
that a valid bet MUST contain all information needed..
tyrion70: so
the actual bet value is references within parenthesis..
fractal: tyrion70: yes. And
the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- did not meet performance
targets
tyrion70: Devices must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) in order
to be accepted as valid.
fractal: tyrion70: it says as advertised . Unfortunately,
that is where it was advertised.
tyrion70: what if bitfury changed
the site while
the bet was running???
Anduck: the bet says: 25gh unit and 400gh unit must meet
the advertised performance.
they promise 400gh at 400W for
the 400gh unit at bfsb.com.
that is met. what's so weird about
this?
fractal: And
the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- did not meet performance
targets
pankkake: well
they can still argue after
the bet is resolved
tyrion70: fractal:
the bet doesn't say "as advertised on
the website www.blabla" ..
the bet specifies
the exact conditions itself.. without a need
to read some website..
Anduck: the bet is about units, not
the modular h-cards or m-cards
fractal: Anduck: Unforunately,
thats not what
the bet says.
Anduck: the unit does,
they didn't advertise
that h-card must perform 25gh
fractal: And since
the hardware didn't perform as advertised --
the bet is a no.
Anduck: and
they failed
that but
the overall performance of
the whole 400gh unit/kit is as advertised
FabianB_: hmm.. i bet
the bitfury argument loop will still last a few hours..
Anduck: bfsb.com says
that 400gh kit includes
that amount of modular cards, yes
fractal: which means
the bet is a no, because all conditions of
the bet were not met.
fractal: And it missed performance for
the unit, which is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
Anduck: except it has more h-cards in it
than promised
Anduck: the bet doesn't
talk about h-cards performances, it
talks about
the whole unit performances
fractal: Anduck:
Thats not what
the bet says
fractal: tyrion70: Weird or not --
Thats what
the bet says -- Bitfurystrikesback.com (Bitfury EU reseller)"
Anduck: _and_ performance means
that W/GH is as promised
Anduck: but
the performance did not fail
Anduck: but
they failed
the hardware amount
tyrion70: fractal, would you agree
that it would be weird
that ppl who bet need
to read another site?
Anduck: no,
the unit advertised performance was 400gh and 1 m-board and 16 h-boards was
the promised amount of modular cards
that make
the unit
fractal: they failed
to meet
these performance
targets
fractal: The advertised performance was 400Gh on ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips""
tyrion70: fractal,
thats not
the site, its
the company..
Anduck: the advertised performance from
the site:
fractal: so,
the advertised performance is from
that site
fractal: tyrion70: yes, it says bitfurystrikesback.com in
the bet
fractal: The advertised performance was 400Gh on ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips""
tyrion70: fractal:
that link nor
the content is included in
the bet..
Anduck: it was advertised
that 400gh KIT includes a m-board + 16 h-boards.... nothing about "units"
Anduck: it's a fact
that 1 m-board can hold up
to 16 h-boards, but
that doesn't make it a 400gh unit
Anduck: there's no such
thing as 400gh unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-boards
fractal: Well,
tahts
too bad isn't it? because it SAYS UNIT!!!!!!!!!!!
Anduck: when
the bet says "unit" it means
the 400gh kit
fractal: Thats not what
the bet says.
Anduck: it doesn't
talk about units
there
tyrion70: those were
two " machines" right?
tyrion70: That picture
that was posted shortly ..
Anduck: they had
to add more hardware for
the kit or unit or whatever you want
to call it
fractal: they had
to ship more hardware
to make up for missed performance
tyrion70: "Bitfurystrikesback.com (Bitfury EU reseller) will ship
their 25 and 400 gigahash mining units before 1st of September 2013. Devices must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) in order
to be accepted as valid. Atleast 5 deliveries confirmed by respected members of
the community required."
tyrion70: so we are
talking about
this bet:
Anduck: there's no such
thing as 25 gh device since it's all modular
fractal: As per
the website - a 400Gh unit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
Anduck: there's no such
thing as 400 gh device
fractal: thats not what
the bet says -- it says 400Gh UNIT must be 400Gh, a unit is as advertised - '"1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
Anduck: and
that promise is met
fractal: Thats not what was advertised, and contrary
to
the bet langugae
Anduck: but people got 18-20 h-boards + 2 m-boards as
the 400gh unit
fractal: Yea, but you didn't explicitly state
that -- and people reading
the bet went on
the bitfurystrikesback website, and saw
that a UNIT was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- what do you say
to
those people???
Anduck: the bfsb.com shop says
that 400 gh unit is 16-h boards in 1 m-board
Anduck: as unit i meant
the 400 gh package of mining gear
tyrion70: this was obviously an unexpected outcome and not covered in
the bet language..
fractal: it suppose it could be argued
the language made
the bet a 'Bad bet' according
to
the FAQ...
fractal: But, according
to
the language,
the bet is a NO.
That doesn't change
the fact
that I
think Bitfury is awesome and did a great job.
fractal: If
the bet was voided, I would not mind as I do feel badly for Anduck -- he wrote
the bet wrongly
to what he meant. I have a conscience.
fractal: I can only hope
that most rational people will look at
the bet langugage, and
then look and see
that
the 400Gh unit --as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- missed performance
targets, and
that
the not all conditions of
the bet were met.
tyrion70: 1 day right and you know what its going
to be?
pankkake: anyway, it likely won't change
the mind of whoever decides
the outcome of
the bet
fractal: No,
thats not what
the bet says.... Maybe you can strech
the argument for
the 25Gh card by saying its modular (even
though i disagree because AS ADVERTISED it was 1 card), but you certianly can't for
the 400Gh unit
pankkake: I bet ~0.10 BTC on
this. If I give it
to you both, will you shut up? :)
Anduck: yeah 25gh unit was advertised as a single h-card. but it
took 2 h-cards
to make
the unit.,
fractal: A 25 gh unit was advertised as a single H-card. -- I'm pasting it all
the
time because you don't seem
to realize
that
the bet says hardware device/uni AS ADVERTISED' -- i'm only going by
the bet language
Anduck: you can refer
to it without pasting it all
the
time :D
fractal: the 400Gh unit --as advertised -- is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" --
Anduck: what do you
think 25gh unit is?
Anduck: you must understand here
that unit, when
talking about 25gh unit or 400 gh unit is built from m-boards and h-boards
fractal: Again, i'm only going by what
the bet says
fractal: Anduck:
thats irrelevant
to what
the bet says.
fractal: Again, I'm only going by what
the bet actually says --
Thats why I bet NO. because I didn't
think
their 400Gh unit as advertised would meet
targets -- and
they'd have
to refund (or ship more hardware)
to make up for
their mistakes and underperformance.
Anduck: they promised
that when one buys 400gh unit,
they get 400 gigahash of hashing power and it eats less
than 400 watts of power.