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Anduck: tyrion70:
that means
they failed
the amount of hardware you ordered.
fractal: 1 master board is
therefore assumed
to be a UNIT
tyrion70: depening on "my understanding" of
the word unit...
Anduck: in
the parenthesis is
the
thing
that
the 400gh unit and 25gh unit had
to meet
fractal: Anduck:
The bet language says UNIT.
The website says "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips",
Anduck: thats not in
the bet.
the bet refers
to
the bfsb.com shop declared performance of 400gh unit. and it's in
the parenthesis
too
tyrion70: anduck: do you agree
that if I ordered a 400 GH Kit from bitfury and I openend
the box I would see
two "units"
Anduck: so where does one come up with
that a 400gh unit is 1 m-board with 16 h-boards???
tyrion70: anduck; do you agree
that I should not have
to read another website
to bet?
Anduck: they said
that
the kit will include 1 m-board and 16 h-boards. but it ended up including 2 m-boards with 19 h-boards
fractal: Anduck: And a KIT, as advertised is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips",
fractal: Anduck: yes, but
thats not what
the bet says.
Anduck: it doesn't matter
that does
the miner change color or what sized it is...
the
thing is
that
they had
to deliver
the advertised performance. performance means X amount of GHash at Y W/GH.
tyrion70: anduck, I could argue
that if I ordered a 400GH Kit as you describe it, I now received 2 units...
fractal: Anduck:
Thats not what
the bet says.
Anduck: so
they cant ship for example GPU's
fractal: tyrion70: i agree with you, your arguement
that
this is a bad bet, is probably valid.
Anduck: and it must meet
the W/GH
Anduck: the bet requires
that bfsb ships 400 gh
to people who ordered 400gh
tyrion70: both anduck and fractal,
try not
to convince eachother of your own opinion but see if you can fit both opinions in
the same bet..
Anduck: yeah,
they failed
that.
they had
to add more hardware
to make
the unit
fractal: Anduck: "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips",
Anduck: fractal: what is
the unit?
tyrion70: it can be read and understood
two ways without right or wrong..
fractal: Thats not what
the language of
the bet says.
fractal: So, how do you expect people
to read
the bet, -- AS adveritsed -- ?? and
then
tell
them later 'Sorry, it doesn't matter if
that was as advertised'
Anduck: doesn't matter does
the COLOR of
the miner change
Anduck: but as long as it performs as promised,
the bet is yes
Anduck: or unit, whatever we want
to call it
fractal: Yes,
that is what was advertised.
Anduck: but
there's no declaration for 400gh unit
to be 1 m-board with 16 h-boards
fractal: Anduck:
the bet says nothing about keeping promises and shipping more hardware if
they miss performance numebrs, it simply says
that
the 400Gh unit, as advertised "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips", must be 400Gh... IT was not.
Anduck: but
the 400gh unit did nopt
fractal: The fact is
that
the hardware MISSED performance
Anduck: fractal:
theu can do
that if
they keep
the performance promise
fractal: It's like BFL shipping 2 singles because 1 was only 1/2
the hashrate
fractal: Anduck: And
thats what was advertsied -- according
to
the bet language -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
Anduck: but
the performance did not
Anduck: but
the kit hardware amount changed
Anduck: fractal:
that was meant
to be
the 400gh kit. it was meant
that 400gh kit only includes 1 m-board filled with h-boards
fractal: Anduck: everyone can see
that a 400Gh unit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
Anduck: tyrion70: no, for
the 400gh unit
Anduck: yeah but it's actually very much
the only way you can understand
the bet
fractal: You can't write a bet and
they say "oh, I actually meant
this" later
fractal: Anduck:
thats not what
the bet says.
Anduck: the only declaration for 400gh unit i can
think of is
that what
they sell at
the site.
the 400 gh KIT is what
they sell
fractal: Well obviously its not clear.... a 400Gh unit/kit was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
tyrion70: anduck what's
the power usage on
that
thing anyway?
Anduck: nobody has declared
that 1 m-board + 16 h-boards is 400gh unit
Anduck: and i
think it was quite clear
to understand
that 25gh unit and 400gh unit meant
the
thing you can buy from
the website. and
the
thing you can buy from
the website is kit
fractal: Anduck: IT doesn't matter what you say now....
THE BET LANGUAGE IS ALL
THAT MATTERS
tyrion70: not
the site..
the site can be changed..
the bet can't
Anduck: the bet wasn't about what
the full kit is, it was about
that
the full kit will deliver
the performance
tyrion70: Anduck like I said, I have
to go on
the
text in
the bet..
fractal: you have
to be really retarted not
to read
that part "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
fractal: Well,
the FULL KIT is STILL "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
Anduck: where
the fuck it says "unit" in
there?
fractal: Anduck: KIT is nowhere in
the bet language. It means something different
to UNIT. sorry.
Anduck: fractal: but
there's no such
thing as unit at
the bfsb.com shop
Anduck: the KIT now happened
to include more m-boards
than it advertised but
the PERFORMANCE is still as promised!!!!!!!!
fractal: we are
talking about UNITS, as per
the bet language.
fractal: 'KIT" is nowhere in
the bet language. stop using it.
thank you.
Anduck: no mention about units in
there
fractal: Which failed
to meet performance
targets
Anduck: the 400gh KIT was advertised as
taht
fractal: Anduck:
The 400Gh unit, as advertised, is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
Anduck: but people got
the promised performance?
tyrion70: the outcome was not 100% coverered by
the
text in
the bet..
fractal: The best doesnt say "If
they miss performance
targets,
they can ship multiple units
to make up for it"
Anduck: so
that when
they advertised
that 400gh kit will do 400 gigahashes at <400W.. it is met
tyrion70: my conclusion if you want
to hear it: bad bet...
fractal: Anduck:
Thats not what
the bet says.
Anduck: fractal: indeed. so one must have understood
that when
talking about 400gh unit it means
the 400gh KIT you can order from
the site
tyrion70: Anduck, it's going
to be hard
to argue
that one kit needs
two psu's and
two network cables..
fractal: it must be BOTH over 400Gh and under 400W
to meet
targets.
fractal: No it doesn't. Performance means Hashrate and Wattage seperatly... No Proportion was mentioned in
the bet language.
Anduck: fractal:
they were sold as kits
fractal: Anduck: why do you keep using
the word KIT? KIT is not in
the bet langugage at all. KIT is irrelevant
tyrion70: Someone could have
thought: No way
they get
that GH/W out of one chip: I'm betting no
fractal: tyrion70: of course
thats
true. which is why its a bad bet i
think...
Anduck: they did not fail
the promised/advertised PERFORMANCE of
the kit (and
the bet was about
the performance only)
Anduck: so in my eyes
they failed
the _hardware amount promise_ ,
they had
to deliver more of
those modular cards
to make
the 400gh kit
tyrion70: I believe
that ppl could have bet on
this bet
text with
two
things in mind..
fractal: Anduck: which means
the bet is a no, since
the hardware does not perform as advertised.
tyrion70: ok.. now I get
the complete picture..
Anduck: a full m-board _should_ make 400gh and now actually only does 370 gh. but
the unit/kit, which people ordered, does 400gh (so it includes 2 m-boards and 18-20 h-boards)
fractal: Anduck: no, its not. As per
the website -
the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
Anduck: tyrion70:
the 400gh kit itself is built from m-boards and h-boards
fractal: tyrion70: Exactly.
thank you.
this is what i've been
trying
to argue for 3 days
tyrion70: if ppl ordering 400 gh get 2 m-boards its
two units not one..
fractal: The bet says
the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" must be 400Gh. IT ISN'T
fractal: Anduck: I agree with you. but
thats not what
the bet says
fractal: Since he ordered 400 + 25, he was always going
to get 2 M-boards.
tyrion70: well
that's what I asked earlier..