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Anduck: i don't agree with
that
technical perspective
tyrion70: why not?
think
two weeks back..
fractal: Anduck:
tyrion is saying
that
the bet can be viewed from a 'customer' perspective or a 'technical' perspective.... depending on which one,
the bet can be a yes or no.
tyrion70: and
that statement "could be" covered by
the original bid
text..
fractal: Anduck: and
the promise was broken because
the performance was not met
fractal: 'No way
they can get 400GH out of 256 chips'
Anduck: they had
to add more chips, making
them
to break
that promise
tyrion70: both based on
the same initial bet
text..
fractal: tyrion70:
thats exactly what I placed my bet on.
tyrion70: being: no way
they get 400GH out of 256 chips..
tyrion70: I can bet from
technical perspective..
Anduck: but it didn't alter
the advertised performance (400gh at <400w)
Anduck: but
the kit ended up
to have more m-boards and h-boards
than promised
Anduck: the kit was advertised
to make 400gh at <400W. and it was also advertised
to have 1 m-board and 16 h-boards
tyrion70: can't be both at
the same
time..
Anduck: it made it with a different hardware amount
than promised. but
that wasn't partt of
the bet
Anduck: and people who orderd
the kit got
the performance
the kit promised
tyrion70: so if I were
to read up on what a unit was I would
think its a kit?
fractal: it's very clear
http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/ -- 400Gh miner -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- as advertised --
the hardware did not perform as advertised.
The bet clearly states
that
the hardware must perform as advertised. All conditions of
the bet were not met.
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tyrion70: anduck, it was at
the site wasn't it?
Anduck: nobody can say
that unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-boards,
that wasnt ever defined anywhere!!!
fractal: tyrion70: I
think its clear
the bet language is not great. it its cancelled, i would understand, but I
think it comes down
to what most people would interpret a 'UNIT as Advertised' as being...
Anduck: they failed
to ship
the kit as described,
though
the kit does deliver
the performance as promised. nobody can say
that unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-boards,
that wasnt ever defined anywhere!!!
tyrion70: if unit == 1m board + 16 h-boards
then
the bet result == no..
tyrion70: if unit == kit == order
then
the bet result == yes
tyrion70: it has nothing
to do with meeting
the performance yet..
tyrion70: ok u agree
there can be
two definitions of unit?
Anduck: so you can -assume_ it means
the kit when
talking about unit
tyrion70: I could have read on
the website
that if I ordered a kit I would get 1 m board with 16 boards..
Anduck: no
talking about units
Anduck: the website only declares
that a kit is 1 m-board + 16 h-boards
tyrion70: both of which come from
the same website..
tyrion70: apparently
there are
two ways of looking at a unit..
tyrion70: why? because you
think
that's correct?
Anduck: so we _MUST_ assume
that unit=kit
tyrion70: it leaves
that
to
the reader..
Anduck: only
the 400gh kit is declared
Anduck: isn't
the assumption of 1 unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-board wrong
too? it's never declared anywhere
tyrion70: well because you believe it
to be...
fractal: thats exactly how I interpreted it -- based on
the bet language --
thats all I have
to go by...
The site doesn't say "message Anduck" if you have any questions.
Anduck: well if he got
that
thing from
the kit declaration
Anduck: bfsb.com says
that
the kit is
that
Anduck: but who says unit is
that?
Anduck: what do you
think unit is?
tyrion70: well.. you read and interpreted
the word unit as order or kit
tyrion70: ok so
the word unit was "wrong" from
the start...
Anduck: the 400gh or 25gh
thing you can order from bfsb.com
tyrion70: with bitfury.. when
this bet was openend..
Anduck: +
the unit must do more
than 400 GH
Anduck: but
that's what
the performance means, right?
fractal: Anduck: not
the way
the bet defines it
Anduck: performance is W/GH AND
the hashrate
fractal: Anduck: "400gh unit 400W" means
that
the unit must be BOTH more
then 400Gh, and less
then 400W... no mention of Gh/W ratio was made.
Anduck: but
the performance isn't same as hashrate
tyrion70: but if
the bet says: an order at advertized performance (400GH)
fractal: that would mean
they failed on performance....
the bet would be a NO
tyrion70: now if
the bet says: a jupiter at advertized performance (400GH)
the bet would be NO right?
tyrion70: now
they don't and instead of sending me one jupiter
they send
two...
tyrion70: ok lets say
the bet is knc delivers
their "units" with advertized performance..
fractal: Anduck: All
thats relevant is
the language of
the bet
fractal: Anduck:
Thats irrelevant, as
thats not what
the bet says.
Anduck: but
the 400gh unit ended up
to be 2 m-boards + 19 h-boards. so
they fucking failed
that hardware amount promise, RIGHT???? but
the 400gh unit (which has now changed
to 2 m-boards instead of 1)
they ordered performs as promised
fractal: Again, Anduck,
Thats not what
the bet says....
fractal: No, its not.
The 400Gh unit , as advertised "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips", is only 365Gh
Anduck: it wasn't about how much boards
the unit must have or is
the hardware amount as advertised
Anduck: but
the performance is still correct!
fractal: Anduck:
The BET says 'as advertised'
fractal: Anduck:
That's not what was advertised
Anduck: the unit is MORE
than 1 m-board with 16 h-boards!!!
tyrion70: there is no bitfury "unit"
therefore ppl betting might have different opinions on what a unit is..
fractal: Anduck: YES, but
thats not what
the bet says !!
Anduck: YES you are RIGHT about
that. so
they failed
that.
the unit is MORE
THAN 1 M-BOARD
tyrion70: bet language was not clear (should have used
the exact language from bitfury)
tyrion70: but
the bet says: 400 GH/s unit 400W while it does 400 GH/s 2 units 400W
fractal: The website says it. ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips",
Anduck: who
the fuck says 1 m-board with 16 h-boards is 1 unit?
Anduck: who
the fuck says 1 m-board is 1 unit?
Anduck: you order 400gh unit, how does
that go
to 2 units???
fractal: 2 units is 2 units. because
they missed performance.
Anduck: the unit has changed, but
the performance hasn't
fractal: For
the record -- nobody who ordered a 400Gh OR LESS has reported receiving more
then 1 M-board.
Anduck: but
those hardware as
the unit would still perform as promised
Anduck: so
they failed
that promise
Anduck: it's a single 400gh unit you buy. you get
the 400gh (even
though it's splitted in 2 mainboards and 19 h-boards)
tyrion70: like I said if I opened
the box
today one could argue
that I have received
two units instead of one..
Anduck: tyrion70: but where do you come up with
that 400gh is 2 units?
tyrion70: because 2 units makes
the bet a no..
fractal: Well, i'd say
that if
they had
to ship more hardware --
they missed performance
targets.
Anduck: even
though
the miner size or color or amount of modular units has changed
tyrion70: it means
that
the
text is ambivalent..