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Anduck: we already agreed
that
the kit is
the same as
the unit.
Anduck: the bet says
that only advertised performance of
the kit must be met
fractal: Thats not what
the bet says
fractal: Not according
to
the language of
the bet....
Anduck: the kit is 400gh at <400W.
that's
the important part
Anduck: you must mean
that 1 m-board + 16 h-boards only does 365 gh?
fractal: And a kit is "is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
Anduck: there was no promise of
the hardware
to perform X way, only
the kit
fractal: Because
the 400Gh unit only hashes at 365Gh.
FabianB_: why not just wait a few hours and see what it resolves
to?
Anduck: the language says
that
the kit must perform as promised.
the kit perform promise is at
the bfsb shop:
fractal: A 400Gh kit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
fractal: Anduck:
the 400Gh Kit failed on performance.
fractal: All
that matter is
the language of
the bet.
that is why people make NO/YES bets. based on
the language of
the bet
Anduck: so
they failed
that part? but not
the performance of
the kit?
fractal: that is what was advertised, and
that is what
the language of
the bet says
Anduck: but it's more
than
that
Anduck: the kits are promised as
the parenthesis says and
that is met
Anduck: and we agreed already
that unit is
the same
thing as
the kit.
fractal: and
the 400Gh unit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- which only does 365Gh.
Anduck: no it doesn't say "performance of
the unit as advertised". it says "must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) "
fractal: pankkake: yes, and
the unit mentioned in
the bet failed on performance.
pankkake: stop copy/pasting
that line it's annoying
pankkake: it's not performance, and what is performance is mentionned in
the bet
fractal: pankkake: it says
the performance of a UNIT AS ADVERTISED.
The advertised 400Gh Miner was -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- it is onlt 365Gh.
Anduck: it requires
the unit/kit
to perform as promised,
that is 25gh at 40W or 400gh at 400W
Anduck: the bet doesn't require
the unit/kit
to be 1 m-board with 16 h-boards
fractal: Anduck:
Thats not what
the bet says
Anduck: the amount of hardware for
the unit changed but it's not part of
the bet
fractal: Anduck:
the fact
that
they had
to do
that, means
that
they missed performance on
their 400Gh 'kit' and
the bet is a no.
Anduck: the advertised miner performance, which
the bet is about, is 400gh at <400W.
fractal: Anduck:
The fact is
that people betting on bitbet.us can ONLY go by what
the language of
the bet says ---
The bet says a 400Gh miner, as advertised, must be 400Gh....
The advertised Miner was -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- it is onlt 365Gh.
Anduck: the unit changed from 1 m-board filled with 16 h-cards
to 2 m-boards with 19 h-cards. so
they failed
this.. but
the UNIT does as performed
fractal: Which means
the bet is a no.
they shipped more because
they missed on performance. its
the same as a refund.
Anduck: but
thats not part of
the goddamn bet
Anduck: they failed
that.
they had
to ship more hw
to make
the unit
fractal: Anduck:
Thats not what
the bet says.
the bet says a 400Gh miner, as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not.
pankkake: kakobrekla: I'm waiting for
the
TAT PT
Anduck: bitfurystrikesback says 400gh kit (same as 400 gh unit as we accepted) will deliver 400gh at <400W.
this was met.
the chip count
though was changed from 256
to more.
kakobrekla: i
think
the conclusion of
the story is buy s.bbet
fractal: the 400Gh UNIT as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not.
fractal: That's a picture of
the kit/unit. it doeesn't do 400Gh....
Anduck: and bitfurystrikesback says 400gh kit (unit) will deliver 400gh at <400W.
this was met
Anduck: only bitfurystrikesback.com is referred
to
fractal: You are now disagreeing with
thegensisblock also
Anduck: fractal:
the link is not part of
the bet
pankkake: they spent more
time working on
the miner
than on
the PR and cases, it seems
Anduck: and i get a 400gh unit and it does
the 400gh? chip count changed, yes
fractal: which is -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not.
fractal: Anduck:
The bet only
talks about
the performance of
the unit --
Anduck: at bfsb boards
they do max 1,5
fractal: Anduck:
the performance was not met. It is only 365Gh.
Anduck: fractal:
the chip count is different, performance of
the unit is not
fractal: The bet says
the 400Gh UNIT as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is
this bitfury pcb stuff pretty much
the most open/modder friendly asic miner
to date ?
Anduck: we already accepted
that kit=unit
Anduck: 400gh kit does 400gh,
thats what
the bet says
fractal: Anduck:
Thats not what
the bet says.
fractal: pankkake: Hashrate for
the 400Gh kit/unit as defined by
the hardware, as advertsied , was not met.
Anduck: a kit was promised
to do 400 ghash and it does
that
tyrion70: but
the definiton of a kit is not in
the bet..
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Anduck: tyrion70:
the bet was about
the unit performance, not about
the unit chip amount
fractal: pankkake: 400Gh miner -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- only does 365Gh
tyrion70: and fractals definition of 256 chips is correct
to..
fractal: pankkake:
They did not meet ADVERTISED performance.
Anduck: it says 25gh unit and 400gh unit - bfsb sold 25gh kit and 400gh kit. so you can pretty much make
the assumption
that kit=unit
there,right?
tyrion70: so anducks definition of a unit being "whats in
the box"
tyrion70: but
there is no such
thing as a unit...
fractal: pankkake: well, its a no, if you read
the bet language.
Anduck: the bet required
the unit
to produce 400gh at <400W. it does
that, even
though it does
that with more chips
than announced
pankkake: but
the bet does not mention chips or boards or whatever
pankkake: honestly, I
think it should resolve as yes
then
fractal: pankkake: 400Gh miner -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- which is what was required by
the bet -- only does 365Gh
Anduck: and
the unit does >400 gigahashes,
too
Anduck: i am fucking more right
than him goddamnit KIDDORAGE INCOMING
tyrion70: depending on
the perspective..
fractal: pankkake: yes. But
thats not what
the bet says.
pankkake: don't care about
the nubem of chips
Anduck: tyrion70:
the bet doesn't require
the unit
to include 256 chips
fractal: Anduck:
The HW promise IS
the performance promise! Imagine if you are running a server farm, and Intel says --- "oh, sorry, our chips aren't fast enough --, but heres 1000 extra servers. Oh, you can't fit
them in your datacenter because you ran out of space?
too bad!!"
pankkake: regardless of number of chips, which aren't in
the bet
tyrion70: not according
to
the ppl
that bet on
the 256 chips being one unit..
Anduck: they broke
the hw amount promise, not
the performance promise of
the kit
Anduck: the kit makes 400gh and includes more
than 256 chips.
fractal: There are 2 metrics for performance. -- hashrate, and Wattage. It has
to meet BOTH.
tyrion70: but can you at least imagine
that ppl bet on 256 chips doing 400 gh based on
the information from
the bet
fractal: Anduck:
Thats not what
the bet says...
the kit says 256 chips do 400Gh.
Anduck: so
they only broke
the promise of hardware amount,
they couldn't make
the 400gh unit out of 1 m-board only
Anduck: if
they added GPU's, it would break
the performance promise since it would eat more
than 400 wattas
Anduck: still it had
to draw max 400 W in
total
Anduck: so
they had
to add more chips
to make
the 400gh unit.
Anduck: one looks
that yeah
they can't make 256 produce 400gh at <400W. but if 256 chips don't make 400gh, it isn't a 400gh unit, right?