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Anduck: each unit includes enough stuff
to make 400gh
fractal: Anduck: for
the record, even MXRider calls
them 2 units -- "Some info and pictures of my units: 400GH unit and 25GH unit."
Anduck: it only
talks about performance of
the units
Anduck: but
the bet doesn't
talk about chip count
Anduck: only
the performance of
the units
that was 25gh and 400gh unit?
the chip count
that was promised got changed in both units, yes
Anduck: but
the bet doesn't address
the unit chip count right?
Anduck: why would
the bet be invalidated?
fractal: Otherwise people will
try
to change what a UNIT means after
the fact
fractal: Hopefully everyone can learn a lesson from
this -- and realize
that bet language must be very specific.
fractal: To be honest -- if
there ever was a case
to invalidate a bet -- i
think
this would be it...
fractal: 400Gh UNIT was advertised as "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
pankkake: what part of
the bet mentions
the number of chips?
Anduck: the bet only addressed
the promise of performance, not
the promise of chip count
fractal: Again, we can only go by
the language of
the bet.
fractal: Thats not what
the bet said.
Anduck: yeah with
the old amount of chips it would do 365gh but
the kit had
to make 400gh so
they had
to add more chips
Anduck: the chip amount has changed.
this is not as relevant
Anduck: it does
the 400gh as promised,
that is relevant. and
that it does it at promised efficiency
Anduck: it's actually more
than advertised but
that's not relevant
fractal: pankkake: absolutely. I'm sure Anduck is also
tired of pretending a KIT/UNIT is more
then what was advertised.
pankkake: 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips 1 Master b
pankkake: aren't you
tired of copy/pasting?
fractal: pankkake: well, if you side with bait and switch fraudsters who can change
the definition of a UNIT after
the fact,
then I guess i shouldn't worry about you calling me a jerk
fractal: yes it is, because people assumed
the 400Gh unit was a UNIT was , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" --
thats what
they based
their bet on....
to say otherwise is a bait and switch scam, fraud, and nothing more.
fractal: pankkake: I'm repeating whats relevent
to
the bet.
pankkake: you're disengenious and keep repeating
things about chips
that are completely irrelevant
fractal: Anduck:
The 400Gh unit is only 365Gh
fractal: rulother-tab: Its great
that
they got more
then what
they ordered. But what is at debate here is what a 400Gh unit is. At
the
time
the bet was made it was defined at "a UNIT was , as advertised , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- and
that only does 365Gh. which means all conditions of
the bet are not met
Anduck: performance of
the 400g unit DID not
Anduck: 256 chips does
that 365, full 400gh unit does 400gh
fractal: All
the requirements of
the bet are not met....
The 400Gh unit is only 365Gh
fractal: pankkake: I never wish other people
to be unhappy. you're not very nice.
Anduck: there's no way it should end up as a no since all
the requirements are met.
fractal: rulother-tab: I agree, but
thats not what
the language of
the bet says
pankkake: if
the bet resolves as Yes I would be happy because fractal will be unhappy. if
the bet is No I will be happy because I get my money back. cool!
rulother-tab: I
think if in
the end it does
the
total hashing power
then
that's all
that matters
fractal: a UNIT was , as advertised , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" --
this does not do 400Gh.
Anduck: the bet
talks about advertised performance
fractal: Anduck: Sure. but
thats not what
the bet says.
Anduck: but
the one who ordered it got 400gh?
Anduck: they advertised 400gh for
the unit and
thats what it does
fractal: INCLUDED: "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
fractal: yes
they missed performance promise
fractal: if
they have
to ship more,
the UNIT missed performance, and
the bet is a no
fractal: INCLUDED: "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" "1 Raspberry PI"
Anduck: so
there's NOTHING unclear about
this
Anduck: 400gh unit performance described at
the bitfurystrikesback.com (the bet was about
this only, not
the chip or hardware amount)
fractal: When people placed
the bet, all
the information
they had
to go by was
that a UNIT was , as advertised , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" ....
This is
the only amount of hardware
they were
taking into consideration when making
the bet.
fractal: Again, you have
to go by
the language of
the bet.
fractal: No. he got a 400gh KIT as advertised -- ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" -- which missed performance
targets.
that
the compmany sent him more hardware has nothing
to do with
the fact
that
the 400Gh unit AS ADVERTISED is 365gh
Anduck: but
the hashrate of 400gh unit is 400gh. (actually more). and
the efficiency is as promised
Anduck: so he got more chips
than 256.. so
they failed
that,
they had
to add
the chip count
Anduck: he got 2 m-boards for
the 400gh kit
fractal: the guy on
the forums ordered a 400 kit AND a 25 kit
Anduck: the unit is
the same as a kit as we've already
talked earlier, right?
fractal: You can't change after
the fact what UNIT was supposed
to mean. Also. Nobody who ordered a 400Gh unit actually got 2-mboards so far.
Anduck: the kit includes a lot more
than only m-boards and h-boards
Anduck: the bet was about
the kit hashrate and efficiency
Anduck: but
the bet wasn't about
that
to be as promised
fractal: You are
trying
to change what you meant after
the fact.... when
the bet started -- everyone assumed
that a 400Gh KIT was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips"
Anduck: and
the kit is
the same as unit in
the bet description
Anduck: doesn't matter does
the miner color or size or chip amount change. it performs as promised.
the kit said 400gh at <400W and
thats what
they delivered.
fractal: Anduck:
The performance of
the 400Gh UNIT is only 365Gh.
fractal: They shipped more hardware, and are by far
the best ASIC manufactuerer so far, and I will order from
them... and
they've done a great job..... but
that has nothing
to do with
the bet language
Anduck: the performance is as promised,
that's only
thing
that is important for
the bet
Anduck: the 400gh unit includes more chips
than promised, yes. but
the performance is
the same
fractal: UNIT is 1 KIT of 1-mboard. anything more
then
that is no longer a single unit or kit.
Anduck: and i can get
the logs about
that why it is so
fractal: And
the 400Gh unit is 365Gh.
Anduck: that is actually right what
the bet says
fractal: Again,
thats not what
the bet says.
Anduck: the 400gh kit is 400gh kit, dependless of
the chip amount it includes. it was only about
that
the 400gh kit will make 400gh at promised efficiency
fractal: which means
they missed performance. So
the 400Gh kit in question at
the
time
the bet was made, did not meed performance.
Anduck: performance of
the kit didn't change
Anduck: more chips
to make
the 400gh kit
Anduck: fractal: yeah
that 1 m-board + 16 h-boards wasn't enough for a kit,
they had
to add more hw
fractal: Anduck:
Thats not what
the language of
the bet says.
fractal: pankkake: all conditions of
the bet must be met for it
to be a yes. All conditions were not met.
The unit/kit in question does not perform at 400Gh.
Anduck: they said
that 400gh kit will have 256 chips
to make
the 400gh.
they had
to add more chips. and
the kit does 400gh
fractal: Anduck: which is is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips" - which does not do 400Gh
pankkake: what do you
think is more important?
Anduck: fractal: unit is a kit as we already
talked before.
fractal: pankkake: It mentions a UNIT - which is is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips". its not irrelevant. sorry.
Anduck: it only mentions
the KIT performance
fractal: Which, according
to
the language of
the bet, means it missed performance.
Anduck: still performs as promised but with more hardware
than promised
Anduck: a kit was meant
to be
that hardware, yes. but it failed
that. it's more hardware
fractal: No, its not met -- a kit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for
total of 256 chips". It does not do 400Gh.