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asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun see any disagreement -- the 'instinct' developed by trained pilot is very diff item from 'instinct' 'developed' by rube over years of being rube.

asciilifeform: (no one admitted to noticing, when put up 1st draft as demo w/ old logs. but i noticed as soon as started reading vintage logs through it)

asciilifeform: when wrote 1st draft of logotron, i made mistake of sorting ~by time~, ended up with soup displayed

asciilifeform: btw possibly i mentioned, but the historic timestamps are all over the place

diana_coman: to link it to the previous thread, it seems to me quite similar to saying that "instinct" of noob pilot is shit, therefore instinct of *any* pilot, experience be damned, is just as shit; I seriously doubt this.

diana_coman: ugh; I still call it misnomer though; "growing" like a tree without any internal work still doesn't mean that everyone's just as hollow

asciilifeform: lol do i even want to load that link...

mircea_popescu: meanwhikle at cuntcamps, gut feelings are your guardian angel

mircea_popescu: i'll be really happy to hear of another.

diana_coman: lmao; I puzzled when first saw there "flask" - but then again, not sure one can bake www-anything quickly without importing any mess

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re upstack , and yer gonna 'luvv' this -- i have the date link thing on operating table right nao, and loox like bug in... 'flask'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, it fell victim to the idjit internal wars b/w diff 'competing' golden toilet houses

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927087 << at one time i had a framed portrait (gift) hanging on wall. 1 of most beautiful machines ever built.

mircea_popescu: incredible, i never had that atrocious outrage ambered before ?!

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927076 << doable, i'ma put in eventually

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma look re the date

mircea_popescu: incidentally, i'm quite happy with jfw 's "Actually "mod_lisp" is perhaps a misnomer; it could be viewed as a generic IPC interface that comes with a Lisp implementation of the server side." comment.

mircea_popescu: there was, of course, no supersonic civil flight since the concorde/tu144 retirements, so i suppose we could use 1970s as a high water mark. but if anyone's having kids these days, i believe by the time they're our age their only interaction with flight will be in the hanging-on-ropes format.

mircea_popescu: (imho minor point of little utility ; i mistly ask out of curiosity)

asciilifeform: ( i.e. ss=startindex&se=endindex )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:37:33 spyked: mircea_popescu, re. tmsr lang: could be one of two or three (or I dunno how many) langs, as long as tmsr owns 'em. atm there's no genesis for a cl compiler/interpreter (let alone e.g. networking code a la usocket, or a curl etc.), so... inb4 "fuck you spyked, I can't even compile sbcl, how do you want me to stand up your logotron"

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926728 << revisiting this mega-q : i've considered to bake a tmsr ~forth~ (general-purpose, rather than peh) . has the theoretical appeal that it could be bootstrapped 'M'-style, in asm. but could i convince anyone to program in it !

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1927011 << i'ma have to peek at this at some pt

mircea_popescu: i suspect it'll be alling in the us too. it's how socialism works, give kids parents, give kids teachers, give kids jobs...

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:58:21 mp_en_viaje: this is utterly fucking false, of course. the telegraph doesn't get in a month the daily readership of trilema. but i think the ~pervasiveness~ of the antiquated, and mistaken, worldview may rub off on people.

BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926659 << Related question I receive here is "What did you go to school for to do what you do?" I answer "Bibliotecas." "What does that have to do with what you do?" "Well, a bit, but mostly I just stumbled into a dragon's den shortly after school during one of those historical paradigm shifts and haven't been ate yet.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:06:11 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, speaking of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926225 : hanbot is taking teenaged / twentysomething females meeting the pizdi bill ; i presume asciilifeform is taking highly intelligent, shy & introverted males age-irrespective, math grad student prototype while diana_coman is taking inquisitive teenagers age irrespective and BingoBoingo latam... fema

BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926567 << Reflecting on this today, I would like to collect journalistic minds.

mircea_popescu: but hey, i'm sure awareness suitably raised on the important topics. dude guaranteed "knows" about "earth sciences" "consensus" on "global warming" &c

mircea_popescu: as far as i can tell legitimate traffic. wtf do i know

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 13:08:11 asciilifeform: btw re ddos -- mircea_popescu i think yer site also is being dos'd

mircea_popescu: prolly take years for it to be surpassed, too. i guess there's that.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926867 << yeah, i agree, so far just about the record holder for "oh, but he showed so much promise" trope.

asciilifeform: i fully expect that reich will at some pt give up on maintaining street signage, and try to push ~this~ as 'replacement'

mircea_popescu: im pretty sure every single item i nthat pic was there 25 years ago also.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:33:52 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926224 << perhaps quarter dead, but days go to going to hospital for daily wounds dressing, sleeping a lot and going for walks, i have another sugery on monday to close me up.

bvt: iirc it is buildable without xmlada and all the crazy deps with some tweaks; at least i did build it once and run one of the examples

asciilifeform: bvt: it was 1 of the items i tried to build. no dice.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:45:56 spyked: also, I guess there's also the fact that despite all its problems, there's a pile of CL code (e.g. hunchentoot, cl-irc) that works... very similarly to how wordpress does the job, despite its size and other warts. maybe Ada could also find similar pieces of code for Ada, but tbh I haven't looked... yet?

mircea_popescu: i just can't find it is all.

asciilifeform: it is possible that i dreamed it

mircea_popescu: i think it was more like 2013

asciilifeform: bvt: i think i read it in an earlier, ro piece. that grr cannot just nao find.

bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926500 << i think get your point; though tbh, from my reading of linux it's not clear that urandom uses separate entropy pool, as i understood so far urandom uses the same pool as random, just ignores all 'entropy' measures (i still did not quite load that part in head, so this is not final info).

asciilifeform: problem isn't 'no way to expose', they're perfectly exposed, e.g. 'M' uses 100% raw syscalls for all i/o . problem is the fundamentally ill-conceived abstraction, where you don't ~only~ have the stream, but also a barely-known and large set of possible out-of-band eggog conditions

bvt: re pg - yes, you'd have to implement the protocol; and serialization/deserialization is error prone and typically takes lots of code (i.e. too much), agreed

asciilifeform: but it would not be a single evening's, or , i suspect, even single year's, weight of work.

asciilifeform: sorta what i suggested to spyked at one pt

asciilifeform: i suspect the glue for pg alone (i.e. if pg disgorges eggog, to produce proper ada-compat. exception, rather than crash), not to mention utf8ism, would weigh like ten ffa's

bvt: true, but i don't find '80% of cl argument' too convincing; if want comfort, sure, use cl/python; want hard memory limits and gcc performance, can use ada, it won't be fundamentally dirtier (due to tcp and db stuff), just more boilerplate code

asciilifeform: re general topic of 'string munging problems' -- they are plentiful and prolly inescapable, and i suspect there could be win from reviving an item like snobol (where ~sane~ abstractions specifically for stringism, rather than seas of regexp)

bvt: i would actually expect that pg protocol does not use 0terminated strings. re 80% of CL -- inside of it's implementation you'd find same shit. dunno how it would be different from using heathen libs

asciilifeform: but i strongly suspect that 'ada logtron' will consist mostly of non-humanreadable hex constants , and the pg glue will be eating null-termed c strings , and generally the result will not be a thing you 'would fly in it? i wouldn't walk under it!'(tm)(r)(h. hughes)

bvt: i don't think there is a way out of treating utf8ism as raw bytes, other than finding a heathen library

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 12:37:27 asciilifeform: i strongly suspect that 'logtron in ada' would inescapably contain the proverbial 'buggy 80% reimplementation of common lisp'(tm)

bvt: i did some minor nginx plugin development -- the linked list approach was not bad, the only op i had to do with actual buffer was splitting it across chains links to insert data between.

asciilifeform: and would not even be able to "<a>" + whatever + "</a>" etc, i.e. can't use the existing sugar for string constants at all

asciilifeform: bvt: i do not presently know what would have to be done to use utf8istic strings in gnat, either

asciilifeform: cuz the ancient ones in fact ~do not build~ anywhere that i could get hands on.

asciilifeform: i think i mentioned, considered writing one. but then realized that will have to write tcpism and postgresism glue from 0.

asciilifeform: i suppose it is theoretically possible to calculate upper bound... irc msg is only N chars max; and if full of nuffin but <a></a><a>...... but who can do this and guarantee no mistake ?

asciilifeform: bvt: imho it's just barely usable, and would defo benefit from rewrite in compiled lang where can turn knobs in realtime (i.e. cl)

bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926442 << the lag is noticable, but i'd say it is entirely usable.

asciilifeform: or do i misunderstand 'don't need to concatenate'

asciilifeform: bvt: how do i throw into a tcp socket a formatted fetch of log, consisting of unknown length of "<a ... " + blah + "</a>" etc, w/out string munging ?

bvt: tbh i would not mind attempting an irc bot in ada, but it seems more like leasure activity so far.

asciilifeform: bvt: funnily enuff, i actually tried adacore's -- wouldn't build

bvt: hello. asciilifeform: i like the new logger, esp the multi-chan support

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926704 << i'ma put it in on next reset. loox like i'll have to adjust the www template tho, it's run, lol, outta horiz. space! in the chan bar.

asciilifeform: i get 5 dropped conns to erry successful load..

asciilifeform: btw re ddos -- mircea_popescu i think yer site also is being dos'd

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:34:09 phf: there's no need to znc, the entire archive of logs is available here: http://btcbase.org/log-raw/ with 2016-03.txt being the last kako file. the only outlier is tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt which is the dump mircea_popescu gave me of the prehistoric logs, which i have a custom reader for.

asciilifeform: phf: alternatively , genesis the thing and i'ma maintain it. i might be the only daily user, and would be entirely fair for asciilifeform to carry the work of maintaining the thing.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:34:17 phf: btcbase will continue running the way it has been so far, and i will continue putting vpatches into patches at least until there's a replacement

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926776 << i can't speak for erryone, but, in case wasn't clear, asciilifeform spends HOUR+ (and sometimes several h) erry single day of the week reading coad at btcbase/patches ! it is quite essential tool , fully 20-30% boost of brain to asciilifeform . that being said, would be imho a++ if you found how to make it eat patches/sigs through a www-based hopper, like jurov's earlier it

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:34:02 phf: asciilifeform: i'll genesis you the logger in the next two weeks. i'd rather you not waste time on it though. the design predates castles, so making it multichannel might be excessive amount of work. it's idiosyncratic, a product of the conversations from four years ago. your current approach seems a lot more solid.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926774 << wb, phf ! i ftr am glad to see you back, and will defo read yer proggy (and crib from, to make modernized / rationally-designed logotron sans voodoo, when time permits)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:52:12 spyked: my sense so far is that they (initially?) designed it to be a beast similar to Apache, rather than running behind it. it does multi-threading so it should be able to handle high loads pretty well. so if, say, I snipped the multi-threading bits out, I'd perhaps cut the code in half.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926731 << not quite. if snsabot were a cl proggy, i would not need to restart it and lose connection to do knob turn.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:19:59 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i noticed it too, takes a coupla secs for a longer page.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926723 << for some 'heavy' log days i get up to 5s load

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:13:06 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926690 << i suspect there may be fundamental reasons for which there simply can't be such a thing as "a tmsr lang"

asciilifeform: i defo saw impressive storm of packets when was testing the bot locally.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:50:29 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926684 << definitely ; hand cranked, too -- hit mp_en_viaje's last ip when i logged on this one. well, coupla minutes later, anyway.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:49:48 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926462 <-- it does that indeed, as per http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/feedbot/c-feedbot.lisp.html#L8 ; heck I'll set it to 2sec if that guarantees it won't fail; but yeah, fleanode provides no actual guarantees.

asciilifeform: i strongly suspect that 'logtron in ada' would inescapably contain the proverbial 'buggy 80% reimplementation of common lisp'(tm)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:01:43 mp_en_viaje: 2) i never made money, i always made power. the money was coincidental. i never made all the money there was to make or could. nor did i ever give much of a shit, i'm utterly not constructive, a world of nothing but mp will burn down.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:59:56 mp_en_viaje: 1) i am an utterly TERRIBLE font of advice re business. i made oddles of money in SUCH improbable, unlikely venues and circumstances -- admittedly, regularly, multiply, repeadedly, but SO FUCKING UNLIKELY -- i dare not presume what works for me works in any meaningful sense.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926651 << i wish trinque and ben_vulpes to have moar luck than i, with this scheme ( asciilifeform went ~twice~, both times lost shirt. )

asciilifeform: (i.e. whatever one might plug 'battery gpg' into, could trivially extract privkey via timing side channel)

diana_coman: I still need to run tests and timings re "fast" but as a principle, it's not the first requirement (rsa is not for speed anyway)

diana_coman: asciilifeform: the main issue is that I'd much rather run peh not-on-pc, pretty much

snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-30 20:41:34 asciilifeform: last yr ( and before ) i talked to a coupla ic fabs, in various countries. they all not only run winshit but demand that you use their 'standard cells', which available (surprise?) under nda

asciilifeform: the former would cost like FG; the latter... erry year or so i go an' dig, so far to end up empty-handed

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926645 << if were actually 'cheap', already would have baked. possibly i did not explain the subj properly. mips is 'cheap' in terms of ~time~ , it is a classic and very compact design with existing compiler support. but to bake physical asic (on practical scale, rather than 'here's 5 dies that maybe-work for 5k ea. and we hope you know how to solder gold wire under microscope' -- re

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:35:10 mp_en_viaje: and if you care, i suspect the quietness of your blog is what's giving people creeps.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:32:00 trinque: incidentally I have records of every IRC message deedbot has ever seen.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926594 << right. will prolly end up doing just as i did with search knob, 'syntactic sugar'