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fractal_: <pankakke> i dare you
to come in here every day and complain. <--- challenge accepted
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i can get paid
to do
this??!?!
fractal_: nubbins`:
then
that is
the unit as advertised.....
the unit as advertised here was 1M-board, 1R-pi, and 16 H-cards
nubbins`: sometimes "units" have more
than one item
nubbins`: the unit consisted of a
tub and a
tub surround
fractal_: the fact is
that
the language , as written, requires a 400Gh UNIT
to exist
nubbins`: i
thought you had a valid beef, but you're just squabbling over semantics because you lost money
fractal_: the bet required
the hardware
to meet performance as advertised. it didn't
nubbins`: yeah, you keep saying
the word unit
fractal_: the word unit is specifically written
there
Duffer1: ThickAsThieves if I buy one xbond will
that allow me
to buy as many pre-ipvo shares as I can get my hands on, or do I have
to redeem 1 xbond per neobee?
nubbins`: but
the bet doesn't say "in your cup"
fractal_: nubbins: if
the bet says you must get 400ml of coffee in your cup, and you get 2 cups with 500ml,
they bet is a no.
nubbins`: when you get a big mac combo, is it not a meal because it's not all smashed
together?
nubbins`: quote
the part where it says
that
fractal_: the bet specifically states
that
the form of
the 400Gh must be in a single unit. It is not.
they missed on performance.
the bet is
therefore a no.
mircea_popescu: eventually someone in samoa is going
to say some miner is not according
to obscure samoan law
thus undelivered
thus bet is a clear no.
mircea_popescu: which has some merits, but how far are you going
to go.
nubbins`: so what's
the big fucking problem?
nubbins`: okay, so everyone seems
to have gone silent, which i guess means
that people who ordered "400 gigahash mining units" received 400GH/s+ at <= 400W
nubbins`: well, refurbs aren't relevant
to
this bet, although
that'd be great news for
the owners
mircea_popescu: and as far as anyone kniows
they'll get refurbished later
to double performance or some shit
nubbins`: any arguments
to
the contrary?
nubbins`: can i just get a clear answer on one
thing: are people who ordered
the "400 gigahash mining unit" receiving 400GH/s+ at 400W, regardless of
the form it
takes?
fractal_: Luke-Jr: not in
this case --
the language dicatates
that a unit is self-contained miner, not a collection of miners, due
to it being advertsied as such
Luke-Jr: while Apple can define "macbook" because it is
their
trademark, English words are completely in
the judge's discretion
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: nor is "unit" a
trademark - it's an English word
that can apply
to collectives
nubbins`: Luke-Jr:
there seems
to be a lot of confusion around
that point
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i'm greedy, i don't return free
things
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: but
these WEREN'T sold as discrete units
nubbins`: i mean,
the bet says
the macbook must have 2 screens, and see?
two screens
nubbins`: and
therefore can call
the macbook+phone combo "a macbook"
Bunnyh: well, maybe yesterday.
this conversation looks familiar !
Bunnyh: fractal: ok,
though i don't remember saying anything here :P
nubbins`: who cares
that
they were sold as discrete units
nubbins`: I'm gonna introduce a bet
that Apple makes a dual-screen laptop in 2013, and
then i'm going
to order a macbook and an iPhone, and claim
that when
they both show up, it's a dual-screen laptop
fractal: mp: why? nobody on
the yes side would have complained, because not all clauses were met....
mircea_popescu: fractal
there'd have been a number of issues still, yes.
fractal: mp: maybe if
the bet was a NO , as it should have been,
then
there wouldn't be any issues
mircea_popescu: i wonder if
the rabinical council of lvov ever saw such heartfelt contention !
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:
the whole
thing is ridiculous
fractal: "the guy who received
the units said "here are my
two units", and
then just pretended
that
the
two separate units were in fact collectively
the smaller unit" <---
this
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i have no idea, but i
think it's a ridiculous criteria.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, what do you suppose was on
the shipping waybill? one item or
two?
mircea_popescu: fractal dude get away. it's ridiculous, anduck is
this kid.
fractal: nubbins`:
thats exactly correct. your ability
to draw logic is very good
Luke-Jr: I didn't even know who
the yes betters were until just now
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im sure at some point
they were somehow packaged
together. seems a weird way
to go about it.
fractal: deizel: yes... correct.... mp, luke-jr, and other bitbet shills were paid off by Anduck and
the yes betters... .which is why
they'll disagree with you and
the facts
nubbins`: see, if
the manufacturer had
taped both units inside a shoebox, he could get away with calling
two separate units a single unit. but he didn't.
the guy who received
the units said "here are my
two units", and
then just pretended
that
the
two separate units were in fact collectively
the smaller unit
mircea_popescu: im just sitting here and partaking in
the lively debate of shit
that actually matters.
fractal: mp:
thats
the perfect anaology
deizel: so, "Coffee must meet advertised capacity (400ml per cup)" and I give you
two cups, each with less
than 400ml...
fractal: you only want
to carry around 1 cup, not 2 cups
fractal: mp: you asked for 1 cup with 400ML coffee in it.... you got 2 cups with 250ML in each one.....
the request was not met.
mircea_popescu: fractal need you a link
to
the earlier discussion of laptops ?
fractal: Luke-Jr decided not
to read anything and jumped
to conclusions
nubbins`: Luke-Jr: all have authority
to interpret. few have authority
to pass judgment
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: only
the judge of
the bet has any authority
to interpret
the bet in
this case
deizel: you either absolutely brought a cup of coffee or a cup of containing 400ml of coffee.. its all depends on
the wording of
the initial demand
mircea_popescu: it is still absolute, but
that doesn't mean absolutely anything someone wants it
to mean.
fractal: No, in
this case,
they brought 2 cups of coffe, because
they didn't make 1 cup big enough
fractal: Luke-Jr: It says
the 400Gh unit must meet advertised performance.... it was advertised at 1-Mboard, 1-Rpi with 16 H-cards....... you're
totally wrong and out of your league here... please READ
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: in
this case,
they brought 500ml of coffee at 90C in a bigger cup
mircea_popescu: deizel wasn't making an analogy for
the bet, was simply verifying
the properties of must.
Luke-Jr: nubbins`:
the bet didn't state how many boards
the unit must be
nubbins`: yes, as you didn't state how full
the cup should be
fractal: pankkake gets so mad at
this
thread. love
to see his posts... also proves he doesn't have me on ignore.... lol.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what of
the sentence "you must bring a cup of coffee"
nubbins`: i would say you press enter
too frequently
nubbins`: to be fair, i only started learning english as an infant, but i'm pretty sure
the word "must" is an absolute
nubbins`: they "substantially delivered" on
the word "must"?
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: well, someone made
the call
that
the bet's outcome was "yes";
that's a judgement.
mircea_popescu: i won't intervene in cases where one party is pissed off with
the judge's ruling.
mircea_popescu: im not
the judge.
the closest approximation would be i am
the minister of justice.
nubbins`: i'm mildly surprised you guys can't come
to an agreement on
this between yourselves
Luke-Jr: and he was
the judge, so it's his perrogative
to do so
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu already did
that
nubbins`: oh, so
the guy who got 500GH/s and 267W actually ordered and received a 400GH unit and a 25GH unit, and
then just pretended
they were collectively a 400GH/s unit?
Luke-Jr: I'm not
trying
to define a unit.
fractal: either way, Luke-Jr's hypocrisy and corruption by money for mining namecoin.... should be
taken into account when he
tries
to define what a UNIT is
fractal: but noone who ordered a 400Gh unit only got more
then 400Gh
nubbins`: Luke-Jr: did 5 "Respected members" get
them, like
the bet says?
fractal: nubbins`: it still missed performance specs, which is what
the bet specifically states...
Luke-Jr: nubbins`: some actually got a single board
that does 400 Gh/s
fractal: nubbins`: but
they didn't get a 400Gh unit.
fractal: <Luke-Jr> nubbins`: correct, although I don't know if
they're physically connected ----- don't you
think it would be important
to find
this out before drawing a conclution?
nubbins`: If not everyone receives a 400 plus a 25,
then you can't call
the 400+25 a "unit"
nubbins`: okay, well, i see ~500GH/s and ~267W. As long as EVERYONE who ordered
the "400 gigahash mining unit" receives a 400 and a 25,
the bet is an obvious YES. If not everyone receives a 400 and a 25,
the bet is an obvious NO.
Luke-Jr: fractal: all I see from you is
trolling after
trolling
Duffer1: nubbins' did you ever play anarchy online under
that name?