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nubbins`: all you really need is
the ability
to display images and do some math
nubbins`: even a web browser is pretty heavy for
this sort of
thing
nubbins`: the beauty is
that
they don't even need any sort of net connectivity
nubbins`: supermarkets are already using
them for live-updated price
tags on shelves
nubbins`: cheapie e-ink displays, on
the other hand
nubbins`: and we know how people feel about cute
things
nubbins`: it's just
that having a hardware version would be cute
mircea_popescu: well... it matters, at
the very least because it resolves
this catch 22 situation.
mircea_popescu: but someone earlier was like
they don't care about respek
mircea_popescu: this is where your own personal credentials get
to play.
nubbins`: yeah, you'd have a hard
time convincing someone with
the know-how
to get on board without already being stacked with cash
mircea_popescu: so find someone with
the hardware know how
to help you and ipo after.
nubbins`: problem is, you
try
to IPO
the idea, and someone with hardware know-how just implements
the idea before you get everything in place
nubbins`: it's so simple
that i'm surprised it hasn't been done already
nubbins`: oh, i've got it all figured out, and it's brilliantly simple. i just don't have any contacts with
the hardware know-how.
nubbins`: no need for usb cables or any of
that risky shit
nubbins`: and you could make hardware wallets WAY less complicated
than
the
trezor
nubbins`: but
those e-ink displays are cheap
nubbins`: yeah, just saw
that, coincidentally
ozbot: Using
the Kobo Mini eReader as a dynamic (BIP0032) Bitcoin
tip jar
nubbins`: i've got some ideas about an e-ink based hardware wallet
that i haven't fully
thought
through, maybe i could collect 600 BTC in an ipo as well
nubbins`: well, i'm not sure how much learning
takes place
mircea_popescu: at least
this way
they learn
they have
to
take losses in
the process.
mircea_popescu: it's another for every
two bit kid with a modem
to be doing
the same.
mircea_popescu: it's one
thing for all
the pro conment
to be startying "asic miners"
nubbins`: it's gotta suck
to buy ipo shares and see
them being
traded at 0.6x par
three days later
nubbins`: man, deal coin is all over
the place
nubbins`: smash a stone
tablet or something
nubbins`: as if we're supposed
to gasp and point
mircea_popescu: the amount of sheer psychotic paranoia on
the part of bitbet mods is quite
the
thing
to gaze upon
nubbins`: honestly, young adults
these days
fractal_: gotta run... we'll have
to continue
the
trollfest later....
mircea_popescu: he
thing, "you can only
trade with an anal probe" well is it implemented or not?"
mircea_popescu: pankkake i made
the mistake of querying
the mod
that did it. here you go : "because wtf is mtgox already! look
they've been announcing ltc for like a year. it's a dying dog saying it's going
to start eating rabbits, i'm not
taking bets on whether it actually does. besides,
they're a known group of scammers and liars, what's
to keep
them from fronting ltc
trades? and
then obviously even if
they did manage
to implement
t fractal_: i'd suggest
that Luke-Jr pray forgiveness for his sins before passing judgement on others
nubbins`: fractal_: okay, lovely, but why do you
tell me
this?
pankkake: Luke-Jr:
that's better, but
then no one will bet on
that :p
fractal_: Luke-Jr:
the blockchain data didn't
nubbins`: i don't give a red fuck if someone's "corrupted by money" or what
their morals are
nubbins`: fractal_: i don't care and
that's not relevant. who
taught you how
to argue?
Luke-Jr: pankkake:
Try "Will someone successfully obtain fiat currency in a
traditional bank
transferred from MtGox, from selling Litecoins on MtGox, before 2014?"
fractal_: Luke-Jr likes
to pass judgement on others, but ignores his own sings
nubbins`: gox will have a daily volume of xyz in LTC by
the end of 2013
fractal_: nubbins`: Luke-Jr is quite
the hypocrite, pull up logs from 2 months ago regarding him and namecoin, you'll see he became corrupted by money.... very sad from someone who preaches about morals all day.
nubbins`: add something about volume
to
the wording
pankkake: well it's more
than
that, it's actually having
the possibility
to buy litecoins with it
nubbins`: and except after all
those other instances
mircea_popescu: pankkake well
to me it reads like a variant of "I will publish
the number 15 on my website by end of year".
Luke-Jr: nubbins`:
the misspelling was fractal_'s
Luke-Jr: nubbins`:
that's not a name, it's a noun
fractal_: nubbins`:
tell
that
to Luke-Jr , who called me a
theif.
fractal_: so he can
troll on
the forums when
the bet gets disputed
fractal_: mp: pankkake isn't very smart, and wants
to add more bad bets
to bitbet, so
that
there are more problems like
the one
that just happened with bitfury....
fractal_: nubbins`: obviously not enough of
they stay away
pankkake: "Will MT. GOX be
trading Litecoin as a currency before
the end of 2013? " why was
this rejected? I don't how it is unverifiable
nubbins`: it's an awareness campaign
to stay away from anything you're involved in
fractal_: so its not
tissues, its an aweareness campaign for people
to stay away from BitBet
nubbins`: the word "substantially" doesn't even belong
there
nubbins`: i agree
there, substantially != absolutely
fractal_: if i knew
that
the decider was going
to not follow logic
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: and so forever, nobody will weep for
those who lost
mircea_popescu: this because reality surprises, which is a good
thing overall.
fractal_: yes, i would agree
that
the bullshit bet was poorly worded bullshit and i shouldn't have bet
mircea_popescu: nubbins`
they're always and perpetually going
to be poorly worded.
nubbins`: really poorly worded bet was
the root of all
this
trouble
fractal_: the unit must be > 400Gh, and < 400W..
the unit did not meet
this performance spec
mircea_popescu: this is imo
the most important
takeaway here : rather
than hang your bet on some
technicality, just make a new one in which your point of interest is substantially
the bet.
fractal_: nubbins`: no, i was correct in
that
the 400Gh unit would not hash at 400Gh
fractal_: mp: i should have done
that in hindsight , of course
nubbins`: you didn't get robbed, you misjudged
their ability
to deliver a certain GH/s for a certain W
mircea_popescu: if indeed
that's
the case you'd have been much better served by making a "The Bitfury strikes back 400gh/s unit will not exist as
the 16 boards
together will hash under 400gh/s"
nubbins`: well, it's relevant in
that
they delivered on all specs
that were in
the bet
fractal_: i placed
the bet because i didn't
think
the hardware was going
to perform as advertised -- and it didn't
fractal_: that
they shipped more hardware is irrelevant
fractal_: nubbins`: it wasn't
though.
the 400Gh unit , as advertised, only does 365Gh.
nubbins`: whoever made
the bet should have been more specific, i guess
nubbins`: you make a convincing argument, but
the bet doesn't mention anything about
the components included
fractal_: nubbins`: according
to bitbet rules,
the
timestamp of
the bet is what is advertsied -- it can't be changed after
the fact.
nubbins`: if
they want
to include a free baseball card, well, each unit comes with a baseball card
nubbins`: anyway, a "unit" is obviously whatever
they're selling as "a unit"