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asciilifeform: 'His attitude towards Andresen, the public, the poor and the residents of Mali is despicable. ... Because most of us likely have hosted wallets somewhere, the decision will be largely out of the general public's hands, though.' << gold. how did i miss this.
shinohai: I never realized such level of retardation existed.
asciilifeform: btw, 'alice_' (reddit) -- 'I am a tulpa created by a roughly similar process. Except in this case I took over from my creator and she died.' ( https://archive.is/AVQbD )
phf: err, my memory doesn't go further out, but i suspect eggdrop was first case of wordpress plugin ecosystem with similar implications
phf: i
shinohai: asciilifeform !~bible matthew 10:34 <<< this is why I said alf is a vengeful god, no better than Jehovah
jhvh1: asciilifeform: [KJV] Matthew 10:34 :: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
asciilifeform: at one time i considered adding, e.g., rate limiter, to trb, but decided that it is not the Right Thing.
Framedragger: i was just testing
trinque: Framedragger: ftr I don't subscribe to the "bot checks to make sure it doesn't resend lines" party
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "i" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: jhvh1 i mean shinohai : is there a web for your bash ?
Framedragger: "i recall this being mentioned before" (tm)
Framedragger: i'll have to re-do the whole dates/times thing anyway once i move to postgres, which i want to do anyway
Framedragger: phf: ...yeah. i wanted to switch to utc so changed environment settings for when it next restarted and then it restarted sooner than expected. SUCH ENGINEERING :/
phf: Framedragger: also i did notice that utc+3 to utc shift midday ;)
Framedragger: i guess it has a socialist bent to it - i thought - noobs won't read actual logs so might as well quote what's actually needed; and, it is useful for when it's just a couple of lines. but it does add to the thickness of logz.
mircea_popescu: though honestly, i'm not sure why it's useful, other than you liking it. people routinely read around linked items.
mircea_popescu: or maybe i should have a way to direct it, i guess, http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:698/to:700#698 > alf then he pms that to alf.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i think it should only work in pm.
Framedragger: only question right now, is this http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:698/to:700#698 a good thing - i think that it's not bad, too
Framedragger: regarding readability, yah /me prefers phf's html too, i think :D i'll see about it after more important things are taken care of; but it's prolly good to have different designs, too.
Framedragger: i'm not sure regarding explicit list of bots for each bot for good citizenry / collaboration purposes, but as phf said his bot already does that, kinda.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [15:18:47] <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535934 << i also added your links to crossref ( for example the little hand here, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536009 )
phf: actually looking at code i'm already using my bot list to ignore bot messages when annotating, which is not the best behavior
mircea_popescu: i think best would be if phf Framedragger and everyone ever running a log bot limits the number of lines the bot will read without interruption from human to three.
mircea_popescu: if you do that i'll ban you, how about that.
asciilifeform: phf: i did think about this.
phf: but there's a nifty way to bring down both bots, which i think i should fix asap
phf: mircea_popescu: well, i want the arrows to still work, so i explicitly ignore his for quoting
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 13:30 Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:569/to:569#569 << interesting - but i agree with mircea_popescu here that it's not entirely relevant, as it's not meant in that sense. but, interesting
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535934 << i also added your links to crossref ( for example the little hand here, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536009 ) ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: i guess she only does bad-rng, and not absent-primality-test...
asciilifeform: i can picture some nut in a jail cell, to whom they gave a computer. for 20 years. and we get this.
trinque: choosing the stack I did was born of experience
trinque: Framedragger: I'll be writing up the whole deployment and hosting side of things sometime today.
Framedragger: in other news, znc took more time to reconnect upon connection failure than i want it to take. gonna improve things.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: (fair enough, i understand your viewpoint here)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought gena was a test suite.
mircea_popescu: nothing quite like old articles i swears.
pete_dushenski: in other news, my best tenants of all time are leaving at the end of the month. a sadness is me. i give chances of equally quiet, punctual, respectful couple 2:1 against
asciilifeform: (upnp) 'There is a heap buffer overflow vulnerability in the create_url_list function in upnp/src/gena/gena_device.c. I first discovered this vulnerability when working with version 1.6.19 and have confirmed that it also exists in the latest code on the master branch.'
Framedragger: that's a ridiculous slippery slope; street thieves also run private business enterprises in that respect, i suppose
asciilifeform: i did point this to him.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger not only separate, but entirely nobody's concern. i can ban anyone for any reason or for no reason and i offer no explanations. this is how, you know, your bank works, also.
asciilifeform: i happen to think that kako was a bloody fool for signing up for '0 asset corp'
mircea_popescu: the anal child's "you didn't buy me my toy so it's your fault i'm a junkie" only works in the mind of the anal child.
mircea_popescu: there bowls of "fuck me, i'm stupid" to be eaten at every juncture. perhaps of increasing size, it is true, but there nevertheless.
Framedragger: se of the gpg contract, but that's separate, too, i guess
Framedragger: wasn't the whole point of it that kako disagreed of you attempting to charge bbet money for spending money twice (ironically, zero fee tx will be more difficult with no block size increase - which i'm against, too). that this was not in the gpg contract. so he did not sign bbet statement. and then bbet proceeded to be liquidated. you also disabled his mpex account for an unsigned comment on qntra or wherever which did not breach any clau
asciilifeform: i do not yet notice?
mircea_popescu: i'm not trying to repress you! i'm just using things.
asciilifeform: but i have nfi how to fit it in 1 line as other than 'elaborate work of evil, baited mousetrap.'
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:569/to:569#569 << interesting - but i agree with mircea_popescu here that it's not entirely relevant, as it's not meant in that sense. but, interesting ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i have slaves who also don't ; so has the welfare state. this doesn't makethem "richer than x". they are the 0 of poor.
asciilifeform: he doesn't work for money and doesn't, as i understand, ever intend to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as a model, i propose to you that there's no substantial difference between this and say your bizarro position re llvm yest.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what it is ; but the risk is certainly there.
mircea_popescu: ftr : my "fuck you, you may not be poor and be here" is not (as i'm certain oft perceived, because why the fuck not, it's easier) simply mp-superby. it is a strict and absolute necessity for one's own mental health.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: don't disagree with your characterization. but i don't think the "entirely and unmitigatedly wrong" is objectively / necessarily the case. mining konspiracy, i don't know, mircea. but at this point i'm too out of the loop for the "i" to be mean anything here.
asciilifeform: i suggested various constructive lines of work to him, and (mega-unsurprise) it did not help.
mircea_popescu: to get back to it, "i am suspicious of this mp fellow" is not an ideology ; nor in itself much of a problem.
asciilifeform: as i understand, he now disbelieves in all of mircea_popescu that he had not personally seen
Framedragger: totally sure it was meant with "mind". it's kinda gotten out of hand and is imho not constructive; i mean, to keep to this narrative but not put it into (coherent stream of) words
asciilifeform: and hey, i might learn that i also was always nigerian?
Framedragger: my frustration with kako is that he doesn't think it's worth the time to write up a coherent narrative from his point of view. i'm sure it'd be useful to have it. maybe it's because it's impossible to have one in that case; maybe not; i for one don't fucking know
asciilifeform: i've tried and failed to convince the fella to write up his 'something'
mircea_popescu: i am what ?!
Framedragger: ftr i haven't made up my mind and a man is more complex than just a binary state machine
Framedragger: ‏‎punkman:flimflams: "oops flushed the orderbook again", "oops mispaid dividends again", "HELLO I AM THE CEO OF BITCOIN, HERE IS THE BITCOIN EXAM, oh what do you mean btc addresses don't keep a balance?" "it's not socialized losses, it's btc cartelisation research" "you were being an asshole so I banned your mpex account"
Framedragger: "i'm more curious re kakobrekla's motivation for withholding any of the info."
Framedragger: ‏‎asciilifeform:pankkake: the 'can't admit being wrong' thing is quite true, and whether you can afford dealing with mptronics, is very personal matter. so i do not actually disagree, as such, with pankkake.
Framedragger: you know, i recall shitty philosophy students dissing entire philosophical works by just calling them "platonic". can't really do justice by generalizing like that, can you now
Framedragger: asciilifeform: thanks for putting words into a person's mouth, i'm sure that did great justice. you call this ideological? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2016#1453186 << i call this just being more critical and reflective ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i.e. 'ideological' #b-a perma-resident.
mircea_popescu: btw, i'm writing a mega-piece on clinical psychiatry. so save yourself an hour this evening.
scriba: I do not have this date in my logs, I'm afraid.
shinohai: I used a willie bot a long time ago, was rather good
Framedragger: i want to try trinque's bot, too, but setting up sbcl etc and making sure things are reliable will have to wait for laters
Framedragger: btw ftr i want to thank punkman for recommending sopel bot (previously willie, if anyone's heard of it) as the core irc bot to be used. it's properly maintained, has clean code and good docs. https://sopel.chat/
Framedragger: (sorry about log spam - i'll fork the bot into a development branch (new features and bugfix tests) which will run on a separate test channel.)
asciilifeform: and if i were to post it, i'm not certain that the reaction in readers would be very different from this case.
asciilifeform: 'i never used a key befoar'
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/scratch.txt#L54 << lol read as "o crap i service"
asciilifeform: i blame mr. mold.
BingoBoingo: <alice_> because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything? << See how it works <alice_> because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything?
alice_: i've never used a key before
alice_: sure, i wouldn't use it for anything important
alice_: because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything?
alice_: i don't know what a longfp is
alice_: so if i have
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am sorry for playing with the food.
alice_: i know that's the log
alice_: asciilifeform: i am very confused by the social environment here :P
alice_: i actually only got it last saturday
asciilifeform: i walk out for half hour and they pull the bloody wings off, lol.
BingoBoingo: But I have an inner peace to match my outer peace. What do you have today?
alice_: god's an asshole, and it's complicated. i'm ready for anything i can understand as progress.
alice_: p sure i did that
alice_: i'm looking for a harder, more powerful way