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mircea_popescu: in other news : ##crypto did 530/738 lines as join/part spam Apr 27 13:21:01 to Apr 27 21:26:05. the remainder 208 lines were 90% of the material and about 450% of the signal us. i think asciilifeform 's evaluation prevails.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in fairness i was never serious about it in the productive sense, more like an enjoyable passtime.
mircea_popescu: i had a monsoon here four days a week since mid april.
mircea_popescu: growing epic tomatoes is possibly the most accessible gardening.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did i tell you about that time i grew the world's saddest eggplants ?
mircea_popescu: ^ quoted from tutorial on "celluloid", which is QUITE the ruby... emerald. by some indian kid.
mircea_popescu: "A few years ago, there used to be a very easy way to optimize code. If you found out that your processor-heavy code was running a bit slower than you wanted it to, the simple solution was just to wait for the next hardware iteration, which would magically amp up the clock rate on the CPUs and your app would suddenly run faster."
mircea_popescu: this has been such a fabulous goldimine. we thank teh new lord.
mircea_popescu: the etymology is afaik both deliberate and indicative : byte.
mircea_popescu: (no idea why not, they certainly thought 8 bits were a byte for the same reason)
mircea_popescu: besides, one doesn't regard 64 bits currently as a byte
mircea_popescu: apparently there's a lot of them. /me is looking at cliki.net
mircea_popescu: could have stopped at the "properly specified multi implementation" part
mircea_popescu: lol is that ffa implemented in slutty what's hjer name ?
mircea_popescu: <andytoshi> how parallelizable is shor's algo? if i want to break 100 discrete logs is this much faster to do in batch than to do them separately?"
mircea_popescu: in other "Riastradh> Design of RNGs for crypto is on-topic, though physical phenomona that lead to them is at the edge of the topic of this channel -- not because it's irrelevant but because it lies outside the area of expertise in mathematical cryptography one expects to find here." : "* andytoshi (~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi) has joined ##crypto
mircea_popescu: phf Framedragger there's actually a specific law forbidding your approach from prevailing.
mircea_popescu: apparently the whole academic thing isn't very high with the contemporaneous crop.
mircea_popescu: which can of campbell soup do you want president ? YOU DO WANT A CAN OF SOUP IN OFFICE!
mircea_popescu: but yes, i agree there's a huge difference between "spit out string hunter2 half tyhe time" and entropy eh
mircea_popescu: basically what happens is they hang out in these "professional" venues being "polite" and as a result they misunderstand something and it becomes a thing for them and then they end up in arguments with outsiders over it.
mircea_popescu: they're like mere hairs away from coming up with an ideal compressor, these folks.
mircea_popescu: and check out the "min-entropy" "best strategy" thing on slide 10.
mircea_popescu: basically this tribe thinks that what shannon entropy is, is when P takes value "hunter2" in 50% of the cases and a random in the remainder of cases and therefore this is "no good for crypto because i can guess what your password will be".
mircea_popescu: oh shit. turns out what the dude means is actually rather trivial, and also a rather ridiculous tribal misunderstanding of what shannon said etc. read the slides 8 and 9 of this dude's presentation.
mircea_popescu: phf if it can categorize the events it necessarily can say ~something~ about ["the past","how they came about"], neh ?
mircea_popescu: for some reason it dun work on my systems and i dun feel like debugging it for them
mircea_popescu: well meanwhile it fell off [my version of] the internet.
mircea_popescu: i still think the item existed and was quoted in the dude's slides as a phuctor decoy and nothing more. this is not really something i can be talked out of through showing that a website wireframe existed ~same eyar.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> eightyeight what are the differences, for my curiosity ?"
mircea_popescu: <eightyeight> he clearly doesn't understand the differences between shannon entropy and entropy as defined by the 2nd law of thermodynamics
mircea_popescu: well, the guy is evidently not in the mood to indulge, but let's try this. "<eightyeight> his "Is there such a thing as better or worse entropy ?" paragraph is equally as painful to read
mircea_popescu: it wasn't much foir the first coupla though. as these things usually go.