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mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835051 <<
to continue on
this :
the whol.e fucking STRENGTH, of both mytyical-lisp and mythical-emacs (not
the objects at any point extant, but
the imaginary figments in
the wide eyed userbase's minds) was specifically
that ... wait for it... does
the exact same
thing, keeps binary of "world" around, saves
time
thereby.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: uncharacteristically close
to original, even has same ending. i just cleanned up
the science a little.
Mocky: oh yes,
that was good. but i never read
the original
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
this was
the guy with
the hour, wans';t he ?
diana_coman: there's
the golden goose
too! and for
that matter
there was
that "pay
the oracle
to give you answers" event for all
the good it did
☟︎ lobbesbot: Logged on 2015-08-08 05:20:40: <mircea_popescu>
there's even bezzle magic goldbags
diana_coman: so go ane improve ye young man! uhm, old, I forgot it's me
the youngun
diana_coman: I
thought of Sheckley's Ask a Foolish Question but it might be just me
Mocky: could have a special item in game
that will spit out a secret once per day, if you can figure out how
to use it...
mircea_popescu: heck, it lets people sample it every day, what.
they've so far discovered so very much... lol.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman entirely my arbitrary call. i'll put whatever strings in
there i put, and well... what can you do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe
this is not evident, but
there's a large difference between client and server in a mmorpg. here discussed is client, equivalent of browser in phuctor-netuser relationship
diana_coman: certainly; but eulora server hashes
thing already selects some binaries only, no?
mircea_popescu: the usual eulora client luser won't ask for anything before runnign any binary
they can get hands on.
mircea_popescu: i still don't know what promise is supposede
to have been made!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu,
tbh I keep
thinking
that I'd rather have at least someone in l1 signing a binary before I run it but I'm not even sure
that makes sense atm without imposing
therefore on l1
to build
the binary
mircea_popescu: other
than deedbot storage bill and some minimum administration of pleas, "hey, he published my java on malbolge.com mocksite"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't proposing
this be a default.
too soon for
that, in any case. i was proposing
this may have merit & utility.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman no, he means he spent 20 years with
the retards, ended up soaking in inept notions about "intellectual property"
diana_coman: Mocky, do you mean
that l1 basically are sort of locked out of making
their own client because
the more logical
thing
to do would be
to collaborate with existing author?
mircea_popescu: Mocky why wouldn't you just act like a sane human being and
tell
them, "hey, i'd like
to participate / work on
this project."
Mocky: what if someone in l1 wants
to one day make eulora client, has access
to src of all clients
to date. If it was me in l1 and it were another who was client author, I
think I would hesitate
to make my own client
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, I don't follow/think it's an apt metaphor
there
mircea_popescu: o btw... hey Mocky ever considered moving
to uruguay ? it's cheaper ; and BingoBoingo could sure use some company.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman on re-read, i agree, suboptimal wording on my part (owing, principally,
to lack of
terminology)
diana_coman: it's
true it was worded with
that hook in it and I bit on it first for sure but I'm reading it more and more as "we make it public; but what public is
there outside l1??"
mircea_popescu: man should be given as much length of rope
to hang self with as wants.
diana_coman: asciilifeform,
tbh I'm seeing it less and less as a "keep secrets"
thing
mircea_popescu: so all
the better, we're looking for more ways
to kill
the few remaining survivors anyway.
mircea_popescu: (which, contrary
to all
the pretense, is 100% what cia/bia/mia/fuckwhatia IS)
mircea_popescu: i
thought
those were mostly
the result of widespread illiteracy in
the ss.
mircea_popescu: if
the answer is "you're a poopyhead", it'll have
to be somehow resolved, neh ?
diana_coman: I honestly don't see why would it be a problem
to share with x but not with y in l1
mircea_popescu: it is after all a ~managed~ process, and misgivings should be aired rather
than festered anyways.
diana_coman: basically
the specific interest is not code's author - he deeds it and
then who is interested and in l1 looks at it
mircea_popescu: (i suppose you
technically have
to keep it around, if it happens you're stuck with somethign else you want in a bundle, but anyways)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, exactly; it was for Mocky's Mocky> maybe share only with
those who have specific interest / aligned interest
mircea_popescu: if it's deeded it's deeded, you don't have
to look if you don't feel like looking.
diana_coman: my understanding of it so far is
that code is made accessible
to l1 only i.e. not delivered
to each personally and requiring a stamp or something
mircea_popescu: type 1 is very different from
type 2 ; it's perhaps how you
train a slave, or how you make a friend, or whatever.
type 2 is very ~visible~.
mircea_popescu: and i suppose
this is where i insert an important distinction,
the lack of which perhaps informed most of alf's earlier protests : provided l1 has code asdiscussed,
there are
two, very strictly distinct, leaks. 1. is when x guy in lordship shares it with y guy not in lordship. 2. is when x guy in lordship ~publishes~, which is
to say, shares with ~unspecified~ outsiders.
Mocky: maybe share only with
those who have specific interest / aligned interest
mircea_popescu: these are people ~you actually want~
to read your code. heck, you'd pay
them, if possible.
mircea_popescu: but really,
to capture ~all~
the benefit of code sharing, with none of
the downsides.
mircea_popescu: Mocky yes ; and
to provide ~some~ recourse
to
the herd.
mircea_popescu: you have no idea what
the crab expects. so
the hermit crab, yes ? it has no lungs. nor does it have fish gills. what it has is a sort of spider-like book
things ; and
they need
to be wet, but in air. in water--drowns. if dried -- asphyxiates.
talk about evoluted
tech.
Mocky: revisiting upstack, why share secret code with l1?
to keep author honest re: binaries, have conversation if something seems off?
mircea_popescu feels
the urge
to include "-
the human animal is a beast
that dies and if he's got money he buys and buys and buys and I
think
the reason he buys everything he can buy is
that in
the back of his mind he has
the crazy hope
that one of his purchases will be life everlasting!—Which it never can be… " for
the pleasure of future readers.
mircea_popescu: half
the aftermarket for fucking rv's ("wouldn't it be great if we regressed 10mn years ?!") is pouches of all sorts of kinds.
mircea_popescu: turns out
that
the most carrying animal is also
the least carry-concerned. wouldn't you expect snail has saddle bags for
the shell ?
mircea_popescu: let me
tell you something about
the crabs, i found fascinating last i was getting a beach blowjob. so,
they all move in ~same direction, as far as eye can see,
thousands of
them. and as you say, right, "all
that is mine i carry with". now, if
they happen
to run into some food,
they'll stop a little, have a little, MOVE ON.
they make 0 attempt
to ~carry
the food~. or even search for it.
mircea_popescu: btw, you know
the beaches here are full of hermit crabs ?
mircea_popescu: me
too, but i didn't like
the sort of crowd it created. years later i read what zappa had
to say about disco crowd, almost exactly
the same sentiment.
mircea_popescu: Mocky ohhh, so it's not ~every xbox~, it's ~every
thisbox~.
mircea_popescu was always spiteful of
the boxen, never bought never liked, never socialized with
the console kids etc.
Mocky: you'll get games
that will always work, for next n years when next console version comes out
mircea_popescu: also
the first promise microsoft kept,
to my knowledge
Mocky: xbox game bought
today will run on every xbox. no requirement
to hook up
to
the net and get updates.