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mircea_popescu: see, according
to
this graph mtgox for
today is at 36^
mircea_popescu: i'm
trying
to compare
things here so as
to see how
the
two items rate.
mircea_popescu: the same
thing as what you used for
the 8th of aug or w/e it was
mircea_popescu: anyway, can you see what % mtgox has on bitcoinity for
today ?
mircea_popescu: i mean
this is
the internet. what else are people
to do ?
ThickAsThieves: the fact is
there is
total ability for
the bet
to resolve incorrectly if no one is always watching
the page and no historical data is served by
the page
pankkake: the bet creator should provide a shell script able
to determine
the bet outcome!
mircea_popescu: looky here : out of
the
three contentious bets so far,
the
two most problematic ones were
the ones which actually were quite provable
ThickAsThieves: you couldve been able
to say Well when we looked it was not
true sorry
mircea_popescu: well yes but entirely different
tihngs
these. european vs american options.
mircea_popescu: i mean... on one hand forbidding bets of
the sort seems strange, as
the people aren't obliged
to bet on it.
ThickAsThieves: partly
to make sure i wasnt crazy
to spend any
time on
this
mircea_popescu: well
that's why
those links are in
there (bet judged by X source). so
these sorts of disputes can be dispatched.
ThickAsThieves: just
to acknowledge
that what it showed for
that date was such
ThickAsThieves: i didnt expect you
take
take
the source
to change
the bet
mircea_popescu: and if indeed
that's
the case
then we definitely have a problem with
the daily averaged bitcoinity data.
mircea_popescu: now,
the only way mtgox has 49% is if
these are averages for
the past 30 days.
mircea_popescu: i
think some small RSS icons next
to resolved and closed
topics would prolly be useful.
mod6: yeah, you can just click
the link in
the
tweet/rss stream and it
takes you
to
the bet results.
mircea_popescu: <Kleeck__> What a perfect position you've created for yourself MP. <<
this happens
to be how business works, incidentally. you do a narrowly defined, specified
thing. you never do "everything", ie, unbounded obligations.
ThickAsThieves: it would also be cool if
the headers on
the homepage linked
to full displays of
that category
mircea_popescu: currently bitbet retains no user info of any kind.
there is value in
this model.
ThickAsThieves: well i had a number of bets, all of which i was sure i won and i was digging
through emails and saw notifications of .00001 deposits on one of my betting addresses
mircea_popescu: also, bitcoinity is doing daily averages, but it seems
to me bitcoincharts is doing 30 day averages.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, you could maybe bug
tactm (the owner)
to check.
mircea_popescu: hey, do
the graphs get constructed out of
the request somehow ?
mircea_popescu: i'd have been surprised if
this
thing was amenable
to some sort of resolution ;/
ThickAsThieves: archive.org is not bitcoincharts.org,
the court will argue
mircea_popescu: unless
tactm changed how bitcoincharts operates since
the bet was made.
ThickAsThieves: any moment where it was <50% in Aug is not able
to be displayed on
that link
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure
the court gives me any avenue for doing so
mircea_popescu: anyway, decisions
that conflict with reality aren't at issue here. reality isn't what you feel it is, it's what you can prove it is.
mircea_popescu: teaching people how
to work in an actually structured system, rather
than floating in
this internet vague.
mircea_popescu: that;'s
the point, and
that's a giood half of
the value and utility of bitbet
to
the community.
ThickAsThieves: is
the court allowed
to make decisions
that conflict with reality
ThickAsThieves: i'm merely asking for bitbet
to assert its good faith
to
the court by disclosing how it knew gox was never <50% before sept
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, users are welcome
to bring
their cases before
the supreme
tribunal \which is bitbet.
mircea_popescu: and emphatically
that putative authority isn't any user.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pretty much. bitbet is
the authority.
there's not some other authority
to which bitbet submits facts
ThickAsThieves: so it's some kind of court where everyone has
to use facts but you?
ThickAsThieves: so you concur
the court case justification is not applicable here?
Kleeck__: What a perfect position you've created for yourself MP. Bitbet = Reality, but it can't reveal how it comes
to it's conclusions. :P
ThickAsThieves: it'll
take you more
time dealing with me
than just showing me
mircea_popescu: it's economically unfeasible
to require bitbet
to permanently maintain records of everything. it's also kinda against
the entire concept of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: Kleeck__ no but it's not practical
to have bitbet store details in any degree of detail permanently.
mircea_popescu: this is like going "o,
the court should show me". dude... you got a case, show your case. you don't got no case...
that's what it is.
ThickAsThieves: so bitbet has no responsibility for it's resolutions
to reflect reality?