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mircea_popescu: i'm
thinking more in
the veins of, "really, you gave monkey ak ?"
mod6: I see
this as even beyond
the Eulora scenario, stretching out
to any
TMSR~ source; I just don't see a good way
to solve it right now, other
than being selective with who gets rights
to see
the $src.
mircea_popescu: for
the same reason
the lusers preferred gcc 5
to gcc 4.
mircea_popescu: all
that code SHOULD NOT have been shared. not with fucking red hat, not with fucking koch, not with fucking drepper and so on.
mod6: It seems like a burden
to
thrust
these decisions upon
the L1 however, should someone defect and leak
the sensitive materials.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. one guy puts in all
the work
to make
the damned
thing, and
then some moron "forks" it.
mod6: and as far as
the eulora client, maybe S.MG wants
the source
to remain closed,
this is for
them
to decide.
mod6: nope, but who knows. maybe someone finds a winner-takes-all-zero-day,
to be used at
time X.
mod6: I'm not sure
that we have
the correct abilities
to do such a
thing at
this
time, at least on a policy based level.
mod6: I would like for
TMSR~
to retain it's own code; for many reasons, including preventing other possible fraud and snake-oil salesmen... a variety of
things have been written about on
the subject in here actually.
mod6: I'd like
to say,
that I don't
think
that it's an over all /bad/ idea, I'm just not sure if it's a good idea either. I
think
this might just be a case-by-case basis.
mod6: Another
thing, I was
thinking about was: Perhaps shipping
the source
to all L1, maybe let people request
this
themselves.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i wouldn't use any online banking
thing
that didnt'; checksum
mircea_popescu: not really.
there's a mechanism
to permit
the user
to check his client against what it
tells
the server
mod6: Another scenario
that I was kind of
thinking about is where: Lord X encrypts $src_code, drops it into deedbot, and $src_code is encyptped
to {a,b,c,d}. Upon a future date, person 'a', is drummed out and neg-rated. Nothing stops person 'a' from still decypting
that $src_code with his key, neg-rated or not.
This is not wholly differnt
than before... just saying
that
there's no "backsies".
mircea_popescu: consider
the case at hand. i dunno if you've read
the proposed protocol etc, but suppose it happens with euclient. so recognized owner creates a new set of binaries (i dunno, moves a class around say) and i use
the new hashes for server, and so
the leaker gets what exactly ? client for a server
that won't
talk
to it ?
mod6: Well, my fear is
that: Lord X encypts $src_code,
to {a,b,c,d} ; as was said before, it would be impossible
to
tell if $src_code was leaked by X, or a,b,c or d. (This was stated earlier
too).
mod6: what may happen in
the future;
trust between
two or more people might not be
the same as it is
today.
mircea_popescu: mod6 we have
the only instrument known
to man of productive fingerpointing.
mod6: When given
the prospect of asking someone in L1
to hold long-term, or indefinite secrets as opposed
to short-term secrets, it gets much harder
to evaluate
the
trust or risk. One can not predict
mod6: I've been
trying
to see how
this doesn't end up with a bunch of finger-pointing once someone's source code is inevitably leaked. (If it can happen, it will happen.)
mod6: From
the earlier discussion, I
tend
to see a lot of points from all sides. And quite an interesting discussion. I've been
thinking on it all day.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:44 mircea_popescu:
thoughts plox! (and i specifically want everyone
to say at least an ack, so let's page asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo danielpbarron diana_coman hanbot lobbes mod6 phf spyked
trinque )
mod6: evenin', gonna step
through
these logs here.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron anyway,
the goal isn't specifically client competition. but it seems
to me it's a necessary possibility.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 16:01 diana_coman: mircea_popescu,
there is of course
the fact
that l1 is neither for life nor perhaps yet all
that difficult
to get in and out - I don't know whether
this is a l1 matter or a s.mg board matter
mircea_popescu: i kinda lost
track of him myself ; but plox
to maintain
the wot in good working order from own pov.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated shinohai 3 at 2017/04/15 14:13:48 <<
The Right Honorable Baron
Titsbare
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated Framedragger 4 at 2017/04/15 14:15:10 << His Lordship
the Lord Scanner
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated jurov 5 at 2016/05/17 03:25:03 << his lordship
the lord
treasurer.
a111: 2018-04-14 <davout> should have synced by
the end of next week
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated davout 5 at 2016/05/17 03:24:29 << his lordship
the master of common pleas.
BingoBoingo: "Do you have
the
time?" "Sure we have now,
that's all
the
time we need"
mircea_popescu: basically
they're negrating people for not being in #usgovt now ?
shinohai: I
think I'll order a couple and get on
those experiments forthwith
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:44 mircea_popescu:
thoughts plox! (and i specifically want everyone
to say at least an ack, so let's page asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes BingoBoingo danielpbarron diana_coman hanbot lobbes mod6 phf spyked
trinque )
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> i've been meaning
to learn spanish.
they got cute girls
there? << Here we have
them in most colors except African/Asian/Indian.
The
taller ones usually show up December/January
mircea_popescu: well when you're done with
that coordinate with BingoBoingo for an airbnb or w/e for
the relevant interval and
there you go.
mircea_popescu: they give vacations where you work, like everywhere else, don't
they ?
BingoBoingo: Well, from barrio
to barrio "This is old graffiti" "This is recent graffiti"
BingoBoingo: I can host a few nights, but
this is a bit cramped for a
two week stay.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you like
the idea of hosting or should i include an airbnb in his vacation package.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo do you have a guestroom/bed anything btw ? << I have a place
to put a surface for guest accomodations
mircea_popescu: Mocky how about
this, you pick
two weeks
this month/next, i'll pick up your airfare, BingoBoingo will set you up, and you can go hang out in uruguay.
Mocky: def not wanting
to move
to china, lol
Mocky: i've been meaning
to learn spanish.
they got cute girls
there?
mircea_popescu: Mocky btw i was serious about uruguay. you ever
thought of
travel ?
BingoBoingo: On
this sunny pleasantly warm alt-January day I went for a walk and returned
to OMG logs
diana_coman: asciilifeform, for some more
than for others
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I enjoyed his stories during
those 2-3 years when I read almost only SF, 16-18 or
there about; when I re-read now I kept getting annoyed because I keep finding it starts well and
then sort of veers into what he'd like
the world
to be rather
than what it is
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 16:31 mircea_popescu: i have
to fucking compile every
thing
the 9000th
time, i can't just put binary images on my 9001th rockchip ?!