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asciilifeform: it so happens that i understand it, and am willing to take on whatever 'you're full of shit, explain turbulence' offered.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i notice you got an 'appreciably seal' in there. looks like we'll be needing the instrumented standard cock, and a figure in newton-metres ?
mircea_popescu: except i didn't.
mircea_popescu: i said "i can specify X" not "X is the spec for X"
mircea_popescu: the part where you can spec things that don't actually fit in head. for instance, i can specify "a good fuck", or "an acceptably behaved slut" or "a boring housewife"
mircea_popescu: i can say "the population of argentina has a total sum IQ of 170 over ~40mn people" ; this may be so or not, whatever ; interpreted by the reader. you can ask "o yeah, if you can build things then how would you go about building folded hypercube ?". to which i won't answer. for the reason. are they both caricatures ? maybe so. does that do anything ?
mircea_popescu: i wasn't asking you a question with it!
mircea_popescu: "what would you say to this mental image of mine which i call by a name i culled from reality and whose existence is here predicated on supporting my position in an inexistent argument ???"
asciilifeform: 'i won't answer because there is not an answer that doesn't rupture my argument' lolk.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#420 << no, it's a "workable" alternative to go to fucking school and learn to think. which means languages, not math. "but mp, i'm a slut, i have big udders, why should I" oops i was reading from the wrong sheet, i mean "but mp, i'm a mathgeniusboy, why should i" blabla.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:41:16] <asciilifeform> to be fair i have nfi how to possibly escape from specifying byte order.
asciilifeform: if this is not clear, i do not know how to help, perhaps somebody else ought to try.
asciilifeform: the other fundamental aspect, other than 'nothing-to-allcomers' is that synchronous comms over lossy media (e.g. radio) do not work well. the thing that works well is 'i'll pour a bucket of luby in your direction, and you - in mine.'
mircea_popescu: i generally think everyone stands by their assertions until they say otherwise anyway
asciilifeform: i.e. if A has to ~ask~ B something and wait for a reply every time they communicate, it violates nothing-to-allcomers.
mircea_popescu: "i stand by my assertion that x" isn't terribly helpful.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i stand by my assertion that a synchronous (if you don't know what this means, look it up) carrier is unsuitable for gossipd.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:01:55] <PeterL> what is the procedure for gettiing a bot voiced? I rewrote scoopbot to get titles of links, do I need to get it talking to deedbot/gpg decrypting things too?
mircea_popescu: i suppose effort to bridge the gap has been made, perhaps most notably the "literate code" thing, but still. spec is not code ; code is not spec.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i won't touch a tcp 'gossipd'
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i'm not yet entirely certain if mircea_popescu understands that the choices on the table are strictly a) use radio b) use ip c) lay own oceanic fiber.
Framedragger: filtering udp, seriously. so no dns over udp ("dns must die" - well, i guess, fair...)
shinohai: i know mine usually is the first to barf :D
shinohai: i win the most reliable bot award
Framedragger: http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119079 s/DZ/SD/ i don't know why i wrote DZ, very unclear freudian slip
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#16 << very cool stuff re lighthoused, been following comments, will try to properly grok once i get some time and energy (~tomorrow). very neat work indeed
asciilifeform: this is why i suspect that folks such as mircea_popescu are not allergic to the idea of a program specifying a concept, but of a concept that CAN ONLY BE specified by THIS HERE PROGRAM
asciilifeform: if i had to guess - i'd guess 'openssl'.
asciilifeform: i operate 0 block exploders.
ben_vulpes: i read previous block hashes out little-endian just fine
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't think the big-endianness is even in the protocol is it?
ben_vulpes: hard, yes. but consistency i think here will be fine.
asciilifeform: to be fair i have nfi how to possibly escape from specifying byte order.
ben_vulpes: aight well in light of how they come in blocks in little-endian format i propose they also get rendered that way wtf
asciilifeform: i cannot speak, for instance, for diametric, i'm pretty sure he used it.
asciilifeform: at least i don't.
asciilifeform: at this point i have ~0 interest in heathen flying machine controllers.
asciilifeform: i did not even bother to look, ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i know 0 about it, it was simply mentioned in thread.
asciilifeform: i'd say yes. but ask mircea_popescu when he wakes up, iirc he doesn't even like the idea of a scoopbot
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541168 << like If I quote a quote ☝︎
PeterL: right, I have an ignore list
PeterL: what is the procedure for gettiing a bot voiced? I rewrote scoopbot to get titles of links, do I need to get it talking to deedbot/gpg decrypting things too?
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that specs have been invented yet.
mircea_popescu: an' i imagine breeding fantasy is when she fantasizes about being tied in a barn, fed, impregnated etc. like a human domestic animal mix.
mircea_popescu: "I'm a 23 year old female who believes in all things kinky. I have major breeding fantasies, and have had multiple children already, all whom I have given up for adoption. I'm helping the world and being a slut all at the same time." << deeze internets.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'their' industry, as i understand, is in shanghai.
asciilifeform: i meant the q of 'how many can survive on forest rodent and cicada' etc.
mircea_popescu: i do not know. but gone they are.
asciilifeform: is what i'd like to know.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe so.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i suspect this is the whole recipe of south amercan socialism : "we're just as much a bunch of idiot subhuman iron age farmers ; unlike lenin we won't fuck with proletkult"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr, i'm still torn on the unauthenticated lighthouse thing. enemy can still make headaches for folks by silently mutating suspected lighthouse datagrams in transit.
mircea_popescu: hm i suppose 128 is better than 100 huh
asciilifeform: 'One thing I've observed which is interesting which is that a lot of people will not admit that they're going to vote for Trump but you see it in their eyes. ... they're just keeping mum about it because their own family members will turn on them if they announced the fact that they're about to vote for Trump. There's going to be a huge number of men, specifically, angry ones who keep their anger hidden most of the time, who will wal
asciilifeform: ( i have been told that a surprising number of robberies involves arms that are obviously, to naked eye, shams. evidently many folks lose their shit and fail to notice... )
mircea_popescu: "i think the machine gun works by stabbing its victims ; but you won't notice because tits."
asciilifeform: ~0 robberies by woman on typical day where i live.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, more like "i don't care about what you think enough to not rob the place ; but god damned i care what you may say about my genitalia"
mircea_popescu: speaking of, i wonder why not more store robberies perpetrated by nude women.
asciilifeform: something is buggy here, 'trayvon' would not be found withing a cannon's shot of 'burning man' as i understand.
mircea_popescu: hey, i have chicks that started life as americans.
mircea_popescu: i will daresay that if your women can't be trusted in front of enemies you've been wasting your time.
asciilifeform: 'I will not lie to honorable men, but am committed to lying to women, because they cannot handle the truth and cannot be trusted with it in the face of your enemies.' << this ?
mircea_popescu: of course, now i don't like his idiotic position on women, but this is now on the exact opposite side of before.
mircea_popescu: mk. i guess i just stereotyped him on narrow basis with poor results.
mircea_popescu: what i'd be more interested in is, if BingoBoingo can explicit the "honor code" symbol as used by lafond, seeing how i read much less than him from the man.
asciilifeform: well i did not go to his boxing school, and have nfi if factual or cover story or wat.
mircea_popescu: was talking symbolicly, of teh "i watched steven segal movies and it gave me an honor code"
asciilifeform: as i recall, lafond is old man, has no women.
mircea_popescu: i sure as fuck am not about to go watch di maggio pitch with him ; nor drink the beer-flavoured-sprite he guzzles. and i'll fuck his woman, without any concern for him ; while he can't fuck mine, because she won't put up with his dumb head. life is so unfair.
asciilifeform: his thought process, as i gather, was roughly 'there were picketfences. and working men Got Things. and petrol was twopence/gallon. and then the weevils came. and the zombies came. if we could be rid of the zombies, of the weevils...'
mircea_popescu: da fuck i care that he feels equal to the plumber down the street and the banker two streets down and in the legobox that plays the role of his thinker they're "all the same" plastic figurines.
mircea_popescu: and i'll tell you : he takes issue with, eg, the latin "child goes after his mother", apparently this is "an excuse of deadbeat dads".
asciilifeform: relatedly, i've always wondered if the thing re wolf population post-ww2 were factual.
mircea_popescu: in the debate of yet-another-flavoured-socialism vs wolf, i'll sit with the wolf.
mircea_popescu: i certainly am not about to subscribe to his homo homini bovem est
asciilifeform: i thought it was with the farmer.
asciilifeform: and i have reason to suspect that mpb is catastrophically defective and fails to pass tx to trb (which, recall, is a reference, one does not get to say that it is broken in vs the unpublished mpb) under certain circumstances.
asciilifeform: half the time i do not even know if he is speaking of a trb -- or mpb! node.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i still have nfi what mircea_popescu's patchset is. understandably he can stay mum about it if he likes, but it makes his debugging reports ~useless from a trb pov.
asciilifeform: (trb is 100% static, i hope this is not news to anyone)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 08:15 mircea_popescu: more like, weird might be having a shit malloc implementation or such, so what we do in 3.x ish you do in 4 ? i dunno.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [03:12:59] <ben_vulpes> i've been running this one for 9 days straight (previous box would OOM-kill the process every 2 days or so), and it's currently holding 3846M RES
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 08:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#52 << in which we find that i actually qualify for lafond's dindu status ?!
shinohai: I back bc up to pogo then restart it
shinohai: mines like mod6's it munches 3 or so ... but i stop and restart it every Sunday.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#52 << in which we find that i actually qualify for lafond's dindu status ?! ☟︎
ben_vulpes: it's not about to oom, so i'll just keep an eye on it personally
mircea_popescu: anyway ; i've never myself seen it cross 4. if anyone has plox to say.
mircea_popescu: more like, weird might be having a shit malloc implementation or such, so what we do in 3.x ish you do in 4 ? i dunno. ☟︎
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-13: [03:12:59] <ben_vulpes> i've been running this one for 9 days straight (previous box would OOM-kill the process every 2 days or so), and it's currently holding 3846M RES
ben_vulpes: i haven't leveled the aws banhammer, so my node's likely collecting all sorts of hilarious crud that yours isn't
ben_vulpes: you apparently have more faith in cpp proggy determinism in memory use than i
asciilifeform: btw i proved last year that the in-memory block index ~does~ grow unboundedly, but very slowly.
ben_vulpes: sounds similar to what i'm seeing over here.
asciilifeform: *how i came to the
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540863 << oddly enough, it does not. hovers around 3-4GB. which is i came to the fragging hypothesis. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Still works so I work it.
BingoBoingo: phf: Nah, just some shit I chopped together drunk.