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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you need a full body containment suit just to survive as a thinking man here.
decimation: mircea_popescu: modern us politics is a sandpile built upon equivocation
decimation: mircea_popescu: roughly, 'conservative' in america today means 'republican', which also means 'pro-state'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: try to see the pattern here
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(political_scientist)
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: you don't need to open a sewer hatchway to get to herr murray
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: lol nope.
asciilifeform: that is, to exhaust the resources of folks tasked with arranging mircea_popescu losing it
asciilifeform: unless i catastrophically misunderstand, ^ the bears inevitably get the coin unless a fully bitcoinized supply chain materializes for mircea_popescu and others to use
asciilifeform: this is more along the lines of the mircea_popescu article where 'buffett is not actually rich because his dollars can't be sent to isis'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll add a third
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: he's selective re: which trendisms to employ
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel there are two threads here. one is "thiel is dumb". this is not being entertained. the other is, "thiel's uneducated". this is my position.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i was speaking of work in the economic sense rather than physical
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: thiel's spewing trendisms to work your hindbrain
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm not even fully certain if i hate only programming specifically or work in general
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gabriel_laddel i just parsed it as "a weird way to say mountebanks"
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:11:21; gabriel_laddel: It took 3 generations of masters to produce Leonardo
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel actually moocs are the superlative american college.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's pretty "disruptive" alright, huh. "what are we disrupting ?" "the moral fiber of society"
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel, mircea_popescu: simply pointing out that most fiat 'barons' are more like herr buffett than mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: was it by speaking with 'legit' physicists ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: think of how you, yourself, came upon al schwartz's thing
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: he's stuck relying on 'legitimate' communities of 'domain experts' and is doomed to never see anything of genuine interest, which is 100% on crank islands
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel or what they are. or how to look for them. essentially he's a girl that'd like to fuck but never heard of clothes, or make-up or going out.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 06:05:50; gabriel_laddel: "measuring the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange"
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: find someone whose heuristic isn't 'give it to -me-'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i confess that thiel's experiment would be considerably more interesting if it were 100m not 100k
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did try to convince the fella.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: what would we lose if it never happened
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and to what does that thing amount ?
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 04:19:51; mircea_popescu: if you ask the slut, often enough it's because "he's the only one that asked, and i was getting bored"
decimation: gabriel_laddel: who was the 'herri seldon' who foresaw the development of leonardo?
gribble: Leonardo da Vinci - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci>; Leonardo da Vinci - Biography - Writer, Mathematician, Inventor ...: <http://www.biography.com/people/leonardo-da-vinci-40396>; Leonardo Da Vinci - The complete works: <http://www.leonardoda-vinci.org/>
gribble: Manhattan Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project>; The Manhattan Project [ushistory.org]: <http://www.ushistory.org/us/51f.asp>; Manhattan Project | United States history | Encyclopedia Britannica: <http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/362098/Manhattan-Project>
gribble: John von Neumann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann>; John von Neumann | Institute for Advanced Study: <https://www.ias.edu/people/vonneumann>; History of Computing Science: John von Neumann: <http://www.eingang.org/Lecture/neumann.html>
asciilifeform: any who are inclined, as mircea_popescu seems to be, to think that 'any idea can be tested and developed in your cellar' should study the history of semiconductor
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tLsXBtS9 << passable 'pro' translation
decimation: mircea_popescu: I assume you saw this article http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/21/a-feast-of-engineering-whats-really-in-your-food
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Что такое эта ваша разруха? Старуха с клюкой? Ведьма, которая выбила все стекла, потушила все лампы? Да ее вовсе и не существует. Что вы подразумеваете под этим словом? […] Это вот что: если я, вместо того, чтобы оперировать каждый
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the observation that usa tends to 'follow' the expats wherever they happen to congregate en masse, is an old one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he operates under constraints quite similar to mine
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i can only speak re: the costs of the component which i was to wangle time on
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: well, I was asking Stan specifically becuase he could supply detailed information as to costs and political constraints
asciilifeform: or mircea_popescu's
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I don't know the cost associated with calibrating these instruments and can't speak to the truth of that
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the problem isn't exactly of the equipment. the problem is that if you make new equipment, you don't know if you're measuring the new equipment vs the old equipment or an actual effect.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm#a5
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: there were two proposed experiments.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the conclusive test requires the torsion rotor
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason i thought you had a handle on the 'provenance' thing - that is, that al doesn't win unless his opponents actually lose by their own rules and surrender by their own free hand
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's gedankenexperiment. say we build the thing and it runs as predicted (see the last chemistry.stackexchange link for what we'd be doing, roughly)
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 15:36:04; mircea_popescu: no wonder everyone in the us needs a college degree. there's no way native intelligence could deal with a tenth of the cognitive dissonance dished out on a daily basis.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel exactly why not lol ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: but this is not germane to the issue. << Oh, but it is. These people are prepared to lie at every turn. See the stack overflow post, or the output of the Eot-wash group. If Al or Stan were make a mistake in the run, they'd never be able to test it again.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he thought (as of our last at-length exchange, ~3 yrs or so) that he still had a chance to make the torsion balance owners see the light
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the interesting thing, and important to explain mircea_popescu's puzzlement, is that the enemy has been studiously arranging experiments to avoid actually testing the effect in question and declaring it 'settled'
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I thought you know storks and stuff...
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: did you read the stackoverflow post linked above?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel this is not how it works.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the opposition lie through their teeth at every given moment, you don't want to give them anything to work with
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how would i learn to play footsie if not via a wikihow article?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i confess, i almost decided to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it made sense to me. 'the lysenkoists refuse to even try' is bad enough, but 'see, somebody tried, it failed, shuddup' is quite possibly worse
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu stoner paratrooper << fighters have a lot of relaxing to do!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: al ended up having to explain to me... well, the concept i outlined in the first thread re: this subject here in #b-a
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i devised a test costing approximately 50k usd.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel string theorists are a lot like freudian psychanalists. the better ones follow the lieberman line.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah but at least it is clueless to each site equally on the list
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if you're thinking of a human-cranked systematization project, straight to doug lenat's 'cyc' (i'll spoil it for you: it was stillborn)
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: let's put it this way. the theoretical work gives very specific - numeric - predictions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. << let's have the ps0t, yes. looking forward to reading it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play << afaik usg accomplished their one non-negotiable thing in iraq - break the orcs into eternally-warring bantustans, 'vaccinate' against any possible emergence of a real sovereign
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: ditto the roach repellent
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: any more information on the Chinese run << of al's eötvös experiment ? just some private correspondence, where he confirms the same story told on usenet
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tis complicated.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel no i got that.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 01:05:16; gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel if you got a purpose in mind, you need a tool not a child.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#identifier_1_52654 win of all time.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:34:18; gabriel_laddel: The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/
asciilifeform: http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/auction/001/015/930/606_002.jpg?v=1 << example of the real thing
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm not certain that he's a fuckwit; could also be scum that knows precisely what he's doing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with the difference (see earlier in this thread) being that spears does not operate a multilevel mmmatron for cranking out copies of self
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:25:20; gabriel_laddel: from http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/03/sam-altman-is-not-blithering-idiot.html
asciilifeform: lol i thought it was pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel mebbe.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ar has ru-style 'meetings' ? i.e. crowds of folks with prefab picket signs, paid chump change to wave around ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel ^ that entire discussion
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2015 23:17:04; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: local political situation (are the orcs known as such?), number of useful nuclear engineers to take care of the two reactors you've got etc.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel how so ?
gabriel_laddel: perhaps mircea_popescu will expound on the situation there?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: sov. plan b >> http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Gorbachev-and-Pete-Mercedes-560-SEL.png (left hand. gorby on a very well-known d.c. street.)
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:04:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to round off the earlier thread, house will be confiscated a) ahead of schedule, if you get lucky b) when your local real estate racket's ability to crank out drywall, pour cement, assemble the thing is outpaced by, e.g., flood of $refugees from $pisshole who 'deserve' your house and your neighbour's
asciilifeform: what if, as in mircea_popescu's gedankenexperiment, usg were unable to resupply its men on schedule ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: check your time machine settings. you've arrived at the wrong war
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Could also be called yacht or pile of hookers induced brain atrophy
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: When you make your fortune on stupidity, the cocaine you can afford makes you liek the stupidity