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pankkake: I knew it mostly as a way to write Android applications in Python. if it can run without the android crap, it's great
mircea_popescu: that is what the word means.
pankkake: you can run a kivy application on a desktop too?
nubbins`: i thought they were written in RPG IV
Vexual: tell that to a t1000 terminator, theyre all perl
mircea_popescu: im in such a trollish mood today
Azelphur: you mean, the terribleness
mircea_popescu: some people don't know the glory of perl
nubbins`: hard to keep track
nubbins`: although i think i recall that in other places red is the right-wing color of choice?
nubbins`: i was referring to their strong slant to the left
Vexual: the red lens is the bc bud?
nubbins`: i get most of my news through the glorious red lens of the canadian broadcasting corporation
nubbins`: ah! i have so much to learn
Vexual: no thats just to confuse old people
nubbins`: i thought that was the onion
Vexual: the thinking persons merican news and currnt affairs
Vexual: yes well you must have seen snl last week too nubbins
nubbins`: Vexual: not my bitcents! i'm in it to win it
pankkake: is that indented?
kakobrekla: most of those are offline
pankkake: simply prepare for the worst
ozbot: The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: blastbob1 you are aware this is how mpex works yes ?
blastbob1: faster than any web on tor atleast
pankkake: I like it - tor or not
pankkake: hmm and you would put orders through bots?
blastbob1: i was dreaming about a irc based exchange on the tor network
pankkake: that's why Tails is great: use it to do your thing and this only
asciilifeform: or the similar case of 'cookies' enabled
asciilifeform: so consider the case of a TORist who proceeds to log into gmail, etc. while on a circuit
asciilifeform: refer to the 'dumb users' section of the latest TOR dirt leak (even if you believe that the 'leak' is disinfo, the section applies to most users.)
asciilifeform: anyone who even thinks of 'browser' when thinking about TOR, etc. is already in a state of damnation.
pankkake: unless you forbid any non-tor traffic, like Tails does
pankkake: actually, even torbrowser on linux is quite risky
pankkake: TBB ships with HTTPS anywhere, not that it is enough…
asciilifeform: such as, for instance, that a healthy person should eschew Winblows
asciilifeform: it says quite a few things
pankkake: the tor project explicitely says you should not trust exit nodes
Vexual: no wait, the other ways around
ozbot: Tor Researcher Who Exposed Embassy E-mail Passwords Gets Raided by Swedish FBI and CIA | Threat Leve
asciilifeform: it is one thing to say 'gotta be a honeypot, bureaucrats wrote it' and another to see just how the pot is intended to function
asciilifeform: the TOR source is a good source even for those who don't care for TOR
pankkake: anyway, the tor list of isps is a good source even if you don't care for TOR
Vexual: you can kiss those 4 centibits goodbye nubbins
asciilifeform: and then draw appropriate conclusions.
asciilifeform: my advice to anyone who does the exercise is to look up what happened to the Swedish fellow who did likewise and published the results in an academic paper.
pankkake: for the same price you can probably get a dedicated server now
pankkake: hehe, I remember when you could rent "shells" and the number of resident processes was limited
asciilifeform: 'shared hosting' typically means no persistent processes
mircea_popescu: Arvixe (hosting) Openly and respectfully state that while they dont permit a TOR exit on shared hosting accounts, you are very welcome to run one on a VPS account.
asciilifeform: there is no shortage of damning. TOR's authors really love it when you run it on VPS hosts, saves them some $ on running their own diddled nodes.
pankkake: some others that automatically shut you down (I know one who monitors for both TOR and Freenet)
mircea_popescu: pankkake like who ? (i've not been watching this any)
pankkake: there are many other providers who explicitely say TOR is OK
asciilifeform: and if you diddle traffic in an easily detected way, TOR foundation will add your node to its blacklist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't you find that amazon love quite damning ?
pankkake: having the server pulled off isn't the real concern, the real concern is them giving your personal info to the police
asciilifeform: the fact of them sneaking a peek at your results if they feel like it is another matter.
asciilifeform: last i checked tor exits were explicitly permitted in their TOS
asciilifeform: they Officially love TOR.
asciilifeform: with the commander's approval, naturally
asciilifeform: it is best done under the flag of an organization existing for some other not entirely related purpose.
nubbins`: someone mentioned it earlier today
ozbot: Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: lol azerbaijan govt is truely efficient.
nubbins`: which exercise is that?
asciilifeform: speaking of Azerbaijan, has anyone here done the TOR exercise suggested in MP's comments?
pankkake: while the "ASICMINER weekly dividend drops below 0.005 per share in 2013" was getting rejected it is now too late, as the last one was 0.004
nubbins`: i thought you were asking if i didn't have any nubs
nubbins`: not sure how to answer
Vexual: are you the no nubs?
nubbins`: it's en vogue these days
Vexual: whats the bet?
mircea_popescu: and i gave clear orders no futher bets to be accepted!!1 the entire system is breaking down!
mircea_popescu: how did that happen!
pankkake: no. I TL;DRed it. but that was no reason to say that my concern was invalid - it was valid, and actually taken care of
asciilifeform: without saying much more, the quick answer is: if some part of the draft spec seems illogical / bizzare / 'couldn't physically wurk', the answer is generally 'the obvious fix.'
mircea_popescu: pankkake : did you read the "At the end of this procedure, the working slate will have been re-formatted, and will appear empty - as Cardano no longer possesses the old block-cipher key." part ?
mircea_popescu: i gotta make this guy sign an nda.
pankkake: see? don't deny the issue, especially if it is already fixed
pankkake: asciilifeform: wow, so… that what I was proposing!
pankkake: because that's how USB Mass Storage works
mircea_popescu: and you know this because ?
pankkake: no, you can simply read the whole filesystem silently, when it is plugged
mircea_popescu: because this isn't a cool thing, this is a useful thing.
mircea_popescu: this is how the thing is intended to work. there aren't and won't be unrelated cases glued on because people think they're cool.
mircea_popescu: the definitive protection to this is a) don't lose physical control of the stick and b) destroy the slate.
mircea_popescu: if you are real good and manage to extracrt the cypher out of the chip and decode the working slate, you might be able to read whatever's not been destroyed on the drive.
pankkake: you can read the raw filesystem of usb sticks
mircea_popescu: if you have physical control of the stick, you can remove the working slate, but still can't read it, because it has a cypher.
mircea_popescu: you can't read the deleted part of the work slate.
pankkake: and the worst thing is, it's not a big deal to fix. there is no reason to start going all like "it's not a problem"
mircea_popescu: if you have remote control of the connected pc, but no physical control of the stick,
mircea_popescu: hardly a goal. but anyway, let's go throuigh the thing to make sure we're all on the same page, har har.
jurov: <mircea_popescu> yeah cause very easy to use, very hard to fuck anything up.
mircea_popescu: can you quote where this goal you imagine for me was stated ?
pankkake: again, if your product has no instand erase of its decrypted contents, it loses a great deal of attractivity - telling users they have to shred themselves is far away from the goal of having an easy secure device
mircea_popescu: the definition of petulence is "i've not done anything to date but i will declare your item "flawed" because i am upset that you don't agree with what i think is the case".
mircea_popescu: pankkake listen man, sometimes you will confront this situation where your imagination does not meet reality. people will tell you this, you will have to somehow digest it.