asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you don't need real time response, or monotonicity ( you made a change and it stays made , instead of randomly reverting itself like fart in the wind ) then existing botnet is more or less what you want.

asciilifeform: well yes

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'shell' used here in the general sense of 'apparatus that spits out responses to button presses in approx. psychological-realtime'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the principal boojum is not-being-transparent-to-enemy

asciilifeform: the ethertards illustrate the irresistible monkey lure of 'shell over bitcoin'

asciilifeform: ( recall my 'irc over bitcoin' gedankenexperiment article )

asciilifeform: or irc.

asciilifeform: but nobody's running, e.g., shells, on top of bitcoin.

asciilifeform: for instance, bitcoin is an illustration of what you can do if you entirely forget about 'real time'

asciilifeform: it may be 'possible if you adjust your expectations'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i've been stabbing at the 1024 chickens thing since 2006 or so

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: slow links are tolerable, and can be abstracted over ( consider how 'vi' came to exist, for instance. ) data loss, however, is harder to swallow

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to turn 99.99 into 999999

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever use a box over a 'martian' connection, that drops, say, 90% of packets

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but observe, it pushes and pops in realtime and predictably.

asciilifeform: ddos is one example, in the sense where it absolutely does not matter if a ~particular~ packet of liquishit gets sent or not

asciilifeform: now : certain processes that divide into arbitraily many - and, importantly, ~arbitrarily fungible~ slices -- are good fits for chumpnet ☟︎

asciilifeform worked in this very racket for a spell, ended up quitting in disgust

asciilifeform: which is a comical pit of usgology, not a single item in the 'toolbox' actually works as described, or is based on anything other than wishful thinking

asciilifeform: the homomorphism derpism

asciilifeform: well yes

asciilifeform: there is not ( and probably provably cannot be ) a 'luby for computation' ☟︎

asciilifeform: chumpnet nodes randomly disappear (often with permanent loss of contents)

asciilifeform: that ain't the type of flicker contemplated

asciilifeform: ( how long we've been stuck with the kochtron, after knowing what it is ! disgraceful )

asciilifeform: in the interest of actually finishing things.

asciilifeform: i'ma bake an ada mphashtron also. but currently in 'one piece on conveyor at a time' mode.

asciilifeform: sina, mircea_popescu, et al : pretty interesting thread.

asciilifeform: after the demise of cpu mining, ddos is afaik the only remaining

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677176 << believe or not, there is a reason for this: not so many activities tolerate arbitrarily unreliable, flickering '1024 chickens' ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( packet ingress at whatever bandwidth of bus, from N sources; egress strictly for qualified ones )

asciilifeform: gossiptron filter

asciilifeform: trinque: that was the original application as i saw it, btw

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677127 << unreadably massive turd written by svameritards, with million deps, what could possibly be the problem... ☝︎

asciilifeform: isolation of 'naked x86', via whatever means, is a nonstarter.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677110 << it still has access to... cache timings. and potentially undocumented cpu instructions ( laugh, but this happened and 'unhappened' repeatedly, and that's just on asciilifeform's watch ) ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: esp. the udp/luby piece (where ONE packet must somehow suffice for friend-or-foe, but it cannot >512byte! )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677070 << and that's when you realize that the ~adult~ gossipd is a 150x moar complicated item. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: yes, bum can be dislodged from train station, and trump, theoretically, from trump tower. but in practice palpable diff.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677316 << it is not unlike the diff b/w living in a train station bench vs a building to which you have title in manhattan ☝︎

asciilifeform: Framedragger: srs q, btw, i know nothing about this supposed great guru other than 'pretty gurl posing for usg.tor photo ops, oh-so-oppressed, oh-so-orangerev' etc

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677329 << i'll bite. give example, what things. ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: neato

asciilifeform: did ben_vulpes ever get his to agree answerwise with the others?

asciilifeform bbl

asciilifeform: wartime duct tape.

asciilifeform: but they aren't here to stay.

asciilifeform: sina: i've personally sewn 'silk purses' from all kinds of sow's ears. incl. python, sql, etc

asciilifeform: certainly not anybody worth knowing, at any rate

asciilifeform: nobody needs it for anything.

asciilifeform: except most of it dun need to be rebuilt, after burning

asciilifeform: we have a winner

asciilifeform: take a guess

asciilifeform: makes it painful to read

asciilifeform: oh why so many subdirs, sina ?

asciilifeform: and whoever insinuates otherwise, is not a friend

asciilifeform: sina: it's physically impossible then

asciilifeform: sina: worse

asciilifeform: which means that if you're even thinking about grinders, it is Wrong.

asciilifeform: like kalash.

asciilifeform: sina: the other thing is, life-critical code gotta be fitsinhead.

asciilifeform: sina: not public == not exists

asciilifeform: ( if whoever knows of another -- plz write in..!! )

asciilifeform: afaik mine is the only fixed spacetime bigint lib that exists publicly

asciilifeform: sina: no need for robotic checkers, it is screamingly naked eye

asciilifeform: and if you even so much as considering valgrind, your ada is ill-conceived

asciilifeform: and nonconst

asciilifeform: because loc hog

asciilifeform: sina: ( spoiler: ~useless )

asciilifeform: sina: it is in the logs

asciilifeform: ( might even.... run! )

asciilifeform: sina: will read, promise

asciilifeform: with the ffa massages

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still eat'em faster than they shit'em, but currently tied up

asciilifeform: prolly this weekend

asciilifeform: sina: notyet

asciilifeform: nomoar open gpu

asciilifeform: the badnoose is re certain 2017 intels. starting with iirc kaby

asciilifeform: what is 'this box' ?

asciilifeform: i hate to be the bringer of badnoose... but it is so.

asciilifeform: mod6: the open-specced intel gpu -- evaporated

asciilifeform: or at least confine'em to 1 core.

asciilifeform: polling or fuckoff

asciilifeform: i can't think of any reason to EVEN ENABLE INTERRUPTS on such a box

asciilifeform: it'll be great to be able to deterministically measure execution times again, for instance.

asciilifeform: ( moar-threads-than-cpus is fundamentally a lie to the operator )

asciilifeform: i.e. honesty.

asciilifeform: mod6: further re '64-bit dos' : i increasingly also like the idea of os that has 0 kernel activity other than when invoked. and in general, 0 background activity other than user-specified; and no more threads than cpus.

asciilifeform: board gamez apparently. old-school.

asciilifeform: http://www.2f-spiele.de/spiele/spiele_akt_deut.htm << anybody ever heard of these..?

asciilifeform: ^ http://www.2f-spiele.de >>>>> 'Ich hoffe, dass auf dieser Seite alle Fragen zum Thema 2F-Spiele beantwortet werden können.'

asciilifeform: afaik they dun make those east of urals

asciilifeform: ( i.e. 0 pointerolade )

asciilifeform: fwiw SANELY written algos translate quite well between algols.

asciilifeform: we may well eventually end up with fortran ( it is by far easier to write a fortran compiler from 0 than an adatron )

asciilifeform: ( incidentally i considered fortran for tmsr crypto )

asciilifeform: ditto fortran

asciilifeform: ( ada does not suffer from the c/cpp idiots' '95% of everything we do is not nailed down in the standard' horror )

asciilifeform: but i cannot guarantee this.

asciilifeform: *afaik