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shinohai: I mean I usually just don't voice them until they actually produce a key.
trinque: I don't see a problem with people coming to the forum to announce their existence as a person.
shinohai: I dunno *shrugs*
asciilifeform: shinohai: i still don't fully grasp why they gotta come here and not #eulora
shinohai: Sometimes I miss them.
shinohai: asciilifeform: when the tardstalk people come in, just have them msg me or something and I'll point them to the guides
veter2601: Tell me how I can (Earn 0.01 BTC (one bitcent) per two hours doing computer stuff.) pls
asciilifeform: i had once an ancient toyota that had a debug port, but weird proprietary analogue one, i gathered the docs but the thing fell apart before i got a chance to use.
asciilifeform: now this i have nfi about, measuring 'fandoms' is 'above my paygrade.'
asciilifeform: ( i'd dearly love to be proven wrong about this )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the point, which i tried and apparently failed to make earlier, is that gigantic radio stations are a largely-unnecessary luxury
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah, so 'private key' is purely 'station key' - i guess like in latest gossipd discussion
shinohai: neat asciilifeform ... I haven't sourced one of the others yet :/
Framedragger: PeterL: ah, good point. and regarding first packet, i wonder if some very light lighthouse version would make sense, a pre-shared sequence of whitelisted nonces between two given nodes, whatnot. in the beginning, interchangeable over internet. and later, updateable over same radio channel ("here's my payload, and also please add to your whitenoncelist this encrypted sequence of nonces for future channel initiations.")
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque i found another debuggable amd board, http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48155
burnsd03: nope, i stay clear of hyips etc
shinohai: Exactly who I thought of PeterL lol
asciilifeform: i do not know how to make the house stand up. if you do - post.
asciilifeform: this is what i get for following the advice to 'post things instead of sitting on'em' - sometimes it will be an escherian house.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i am floored to discover that the man who wrote ~the~ book on subj of bios internals, never had an ICE.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: you mean an initial packet after a period of silence? hm yeah; one way would be to have a scheme in place which i think you may have suggested anyway: to have stations constantly stream packets at some rate, 24/7.
asciilifeform: 'Anyway, I was quite surprised to find a "low cost" version of this kind of ICE over at: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667. Well, I'd like to thank to whoever posted a comment about this ICE in my previous post. It's very interesting nonetheless ;-).'
asciilifeform: i.e. how to transmit the first packet.
Framedragger: maybe i'm not getting the picture how quickly entries in the buffer can expire, though
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah, right, i forgot everything's signed, lol. nice! i guess enemy could replay for a (choosably) small window of time, some degree of flooding possible? but this could be minimized and that's the point, right?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i wonder, could this not be predicted by the enemy? (value of nonce - say the enemy is aware of the (likely) packets received by the receiving end.) i'm not sure, just trying out all possibilities in the head, because otherwise sounds nice
Framedragger: asciilifeform: buffer is a rolling window (or how do you call it), i.e. last N messages? hmm
asciilifeform: (if what i said does not make sense, draw it on napkin)
Framedragger: nice. what of DoS via replay, asciilifeform ? or should this get ignored? i.e. enemy just floods with identical packets (so both checksum and sig ok), and those get redistributed
asciilifeform: sooooooo mircea_popescu , Framedragger , et al, while we're on 'pirate radio' thread, i'd like to put a few useful items in the record:
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jfzos/?raw=true << saving for posterity. I archived back about a year, if anybody wants to archive farther back than that they can use this.
asciilifeform: and if anyone knows of a 5th, i'm all ears.
asciilifeform: the intel find (and if you buy the 'bug' excuse, i've a bridge to sellya) was a clue that the bastards never bothered with serious crypto magic for the boobytrap
thestringpuller: "The main cost in the initial synchronization is disk I/O when seeking for transactions in the blockchain. Default cache size (dbcache) is 100MB, and it is too low. I always set it manually depending on the amount of RAM in the system (5GB for dbcache on a 8GB system)." << re: discussions of using SSDs on initial sync.
mircea_popescu: word ; i was thinking of proposing exactly this but then i got distracted.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: at this point i think everyone here has an unpublished prototype.
Framedragger: need to minimize energy expenditure at $job. "go home tired" sort of case, it's sad. i'd like to, e.g., among other matters (incl mkj log etc of course), write a very initial very to-be-criticized gossipd for udp/ip, using (kill me now) python twisted. i guess many live like this, savouring free time, with personal projects falling behind. [i rant today, because exhaustion + coffee infusion => wee bit psychedelic]
asciilifeform: anyway sloth is a sin, motherfuckers. the 2 (3?) dudes i gave esp8266 boards to at c3, have they powered'em up?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: at one time i suggested thermovoltaic device to mircea_popescu , he wrote entire article
asciilifeform: i have a crate of'em, waiting
asciilifeform: Framedragger: notice, you don't even need the external i/o pins
Framedragger: asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP8266 - nifty! but this is wifi, i.e. ghz ranges no?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: the sad part is that by "battling out" ideas in this wordspace, one gets a bit of serotonin rush, to feel *as if* they have actually done something material. i know i get this, at least. evolutionary side-effect, this whole "curiosity -> completion" gap used to be much larger, not it short-circuits easily. it sucks, need to make conscious effort to resist sinking into nihilistic bliss, i think. </rant>
asciilifeform: i'll share a tidbit - the place to be is the vast expanse of locally-quiet spectrum.
PeterL: oh, yeah, I think it just lapsed
Framedragger: http://btcscoop.com/steg/ for sale, great. i love the web
a111: Logged on 2015-12-14 02:37 PeterL: so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
asciilifeform: (alternatively for you to be fidel castro and 'go ahead and take my radio motherfuckers', which is what i originally thought this thread was to be about)
Framedragger: myeah, i know. but i also think it's only a matter of degree of effort: if i'm not important enough in their eyes, i'll be fine. if on the other hand i am, then they'll find a way to link me to station and will pay a visit. a.k.a. binary "are you important?" security model.
Framedragger: i'd risk getting a visit from the spooks here, honestly been interested in viability of low bitrate (plain-encrypted, in my mind) radio exchange for a whole.
asciilifeform: (at one time al schwartz and i modelled a scheme with ordinary champaigne bottles floating in ocean. it can work)
asciilifeform: at any rate if mircea_popescu wants to build sw lighthouse on his dirigible, it'd be quite spiffy, not only do i not have any argument against it, but consider it the right and properly inevitable thing.
mircea_popescu: i've picked.
asciilifeform: i never say 'useless' unless i can break something in O(1)
asciilifeform: ( unless i'm the intended receiver )
asciilifeform: PeterL: if i can tell that stego is in use, it ain't stego, definitionally
mircea_popescu: PeterL did i see this ?
PeterL: mircea_popescu at one point I demonstrated a script to do that, asciilifeform scoffed at it as useless
Framedragger: which is, if i may say so, smart indeed
asciilifeform: it is why i threw out all handshakes and other items that presume synchronous 2way, fast, and roughly symmetric link.
mircea_popescu: and i do recall it ; which proves that they aren't eh ?
Framedragger: *sigh* i'll look up dongle prices :D
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and those will of course not have much bandwidth capacity. but i maintain that to usefully PoC the thing, you don't need much at all. jeebus, having a radio-based key server would be amazing already
asciilifeform: i even handed out chip samples at c3 recall
Framedragger: (consider a true radio relay, by which i mean a relay which sends, receives, and *passes on* messages received from one end to the other)
Framedragger: i still don't understand why the hell you need them 100kW
asciilifeform: what can i say, go and put a 100kW pirate in usa, i'll watch
Framedragger: i mean personally, to be able to exchange pgp-signed sha512 hashes would make me super happy already - maybe premature ejaculation, yes, but it'd be a *useful facility*.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha yaaah i'ma not only move (~$m+) but build megawatt radio on me new magic island ($10m+) suure.
Framedragger: yeah i wouldn't transmit encrypted shortwaves from usa, that indeed sounds like doom
Framedragger: (i know that ideal lighthoused would have much higher throughput.)
asciilifeform: (i.e. usg-compliant)
Framedragger: that's the way it works, i guess. talk is easy
Framedragger: that's the thing, i wonder if a few points around the globe wouldn't be enough, in principle!
Framedragger: i mean ideally, it'd be a p2p radio station network. antenna + dongle + stuff can be real cheap.
Framedragger: (i'm sure it's easier told than done)
Framedragger: btw regarding "there is no sane NIC out there" problem and appreciating the fact that designing a whole proper NIC may not be an efficient effort ("ip stack should be eventually abandoned", lots of work, economies of scale at work in semiconductor production, whatnot), i wonder why asciilifeform hasn't considered investing time not in seeking a sane nic, but rather designing / using a sane transport protocol via *radio* (i don't mean shi
Framedragger: but i guess that's what's effectively happening anyway :)
Framedragger: yeah for a sec i thought this was new. but totally should be done
Framedragger: (i mean, polling and re-polling later to check status etc)
Framedragger: i'll prolly do this and make use of vc's cockbox. his /dev/null attitude to abuuuuze complaints is appreciated.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, phf: i'm giving up on variable length binary-types for now. my personal pons asinorum for this library is the task of defining either a type or a class whose value could be either u8, u16, u32 or u64, plus the headaches of entirely arbitrary-length scripts.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
asciilifeform: (fabless. i have nfi where their chip was physically made.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: earlier i think you were thinking of 'pa semi'
asciilifeform: this last detail i hope is not news to anyone.
asciilifeform: who makes its line physically - i do not know.
asciilifeform: i will add, for completeness, that 'silicon labs' and 'texas instruments' offer gbE controllers, but only as chip - not, afaik, packaged on pci/pcie by anyone.
asciilifeform: anyway, log readerz, if i missed anybody - please write in.
asciilifeform: has numerous advantages, and i run own humble household on it. but q was re moderns.
asciilifeform: i know where to find it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was specifically NOT asking after junkyard iron.
mircea_popescu: now i gotta read wikipedia ?
asciilifeform: i've been trying and failing to locate an in-production gbE card with something other than these 3 on it, and failed.
asciilifeform: this leaves me exactly where i was when i did this survey last year, and the year before, and...
mircea_popescu: yeah. and i meant, "probably a realtek clone made in south korea".
asciilifeform: i meant, what is physically on the rosewill board.
asciilifeform: i dun think they make the chipset
phf: i think are behind the "Killer" brand
asciilifeform: and sure, 'army and navy' is not a complete picture, it is possible to disagree a la hassan i sabbah, or mircea_popescu .