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mircea_popescu: some people spend some bitcents and read all of
trilema. some people buy some coffeee and read
the log of
this chan
firedrops: nobody can
take his experience away from him, and it was entertaining, so +1 for well spent.
Apocalyptic: <BigBitz> are you mental ? // one must really be
to do something like
this..
BigBitz: Oh
that 2BTC guy... Oh man...
that's like $700. Brutal.
kakobrekla: tell him for next
time, ill clean his coins for 50% only, instead of 100%
that he is paying now
firedrops: asking when he's going
to rec'd his clean coins.... :)
firedrops: lol, idiot in -hidden just sent 2BTC
to
tor hidden service 'bitcoin laundry'..
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 338.5, Best ask: 341.9, Bid-ask spread: 3.40000, Last
trade: 341.9, 24 hour volume: 72059.99145526, 24 hour low: 290.0, 24 hour high: 395.0, 24 hour vwap: 341.92907
mircea_popescu: "chief among
them,
that i'm a fucktard who shouldn't be even close
to doing anything of
the sort, as i've clearly proven by
the
thick cluelessness of
the foregoing."
kakobrekla: >On some level I feel your pain. I've long wanted
to start a bitcoin-settled version of Intrade (no, bitbets/betsofbitcoin/etc are not even close
to being
the same
thing) and an exchange-cleared market for hashrate futures. But as a US citizen and resident it's illegal for me
to do
these
things for at least a dozen different reasons.
mircea_popescu: "Welcome
to MPExProviding nucleation in
the superheated fluid of Bitcoin. Since 2011."
mircea_popescu: certainly more
than all bitcoin foundation ever did in its ignominous history
to date.
mircea_popescu: actually someone writing mpex contract commentary and adding
together mpex caselaw would provide an infinitely valuable service
jurov: and include even
the listing agreement commentary in my upcoming "missing mpex manual"
jurov: seems i should reread
the mpex stuff n+1
times :)
mircea_popescu: so it's only "major" in a
theoretical sense, otherwise innocent mistake and all.
mircea_popescu: but
that only lasted about
two days and he backed off.
mircea_popescu: afair
the major problem with s.dice was
that at some point erik arbitrarily decided
to reclassify an asset class in his accounting,
mircea_popescu: that's really
the empire of
the holder. if asciilifeform decides
to convert his warrants in a bulk and dump
them on
the market for instance it'd be similar a result
jurov: and
the contract even makes some stipulations about
the price
jurov: yes, but
there were huge pools of shares not on
the market and arriving all at once, which s.nsa is so far avoiding
jurov: i personally don't have big issue with it, we'll see how it will work out. It's much much better
that S.DICE was, with evoorhees
throwing stuff in randomly without any announce/approval needed
mircea_popescu: if it's not worth more, issuing more at
that price is not dilution.
mircea_popescu: if at
time
t the stock is worth more
than what it's
trading for, people should buy it. if
they can't buy it, it's not worth more.
jurov: i'd like
to see some hard limit on
that in
the contract(even if 1e8 shares),
too
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 336.99003, Best ask: 337.99997, Bid-ask spread: 1.00994, Last
trade: 336.99002, 24 hour volume: 71064.95691229, 24 hour low: 290.0, 24 hour high: 395.0, 24 hour vwap: 343.56136
jurov: <Ademan> [08:01:18] lol it's practically a boilerplate
tg2 site << so nice
to meet fellow coder :DDD
gribble: A market order
to buy 20000 bitcoins right now would
take 16066080.2504 USD and would
take
the last price up
to 3452.7072 USD, resulting in an average price of 803.3040 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 184.1464 seconds
gribble: A market order
to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would
take 3918593.9166 USD and would
take
the last price up
to 420.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 391.8594 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 174.9046 seconds
gribble: A market order
to sell 20000 bitcoins right now would net 5452647.9474 USD and would
take
the last price down
to 230.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 272.6324 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 155.3802 seconds
gribble: A market order
to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 2926878.0981 USD and would
take
the last price down
to 270.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 292.6878 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 124.7729 seconds
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 340.0, Best ask: 342.97979, Bid-ask spread: 2.97979, Last
trade: 342.97981, 24 hour volume: 71027.21107632, 24 hour low: 290.0, 24 hour high: 395.0, 24 hour vwap: 343.80987
Ademan: the NSA might be
transgender, I dunno
Ademan: buh uh,
turbogears 2, was a neat python web application framework
Ademan: transgender2, it's
the second level
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 341.1, Best ask: 342.9311, Bid-ask spread: 1.83110, Last
trade: 341.1, 24 hour volume: 71989.74982744, 24 hour low: 290.0, 24 hour high: 395.0, 24 hour vwap: 345.56628
Ademan: lol it's practically a boilerplate
tg2 site
mircea_popescu: jurov : "(b) No Such lAbs solemnly promises and warrants never
to issue more shares on any other venue" ; "nor in any way
to fraudulently dilute existing shareholders at any point in
the future". separate clauses.
mircea_popescu: other people do
the same
thing privately. which is how exchanges fucking work in
the first place.
Ademan: mircea_popescu: 30 BTC is steep as hell, is
there anything against pooling and/or "reselling" access?
mircea_popescu: jurov: up
to
the 1e8 limit << actually mpex is on 64 bit systems,
there's no 1e8 limit. iirc it's 1e42 or something
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell benkay: so "authorized float" means "that as what we sold at ipo", or pre-ipo as described on cryptome << no, it means
the
total # of shares actually having been issued.
this starts as
that which was sold at ipo, increases every
time someone executes a stock warrant and every
time
the company issues more shares.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: a decentralized SR would live still. etc <<< it couldn't possibly, in
that it'd have been made by
the guy
that hired his cocaine buyers
to kill his cocaine curiers.
mircea_popescu: pankkake no, actually, it's about half a dozen people, mostly engaged in an all out war with
the "press" establishment of
teh english speaking computing world.
Ademan: lol somehow I knew
that was a dangerous question
to ask
mircea_popescu: in
the same way a four star michelin restaurateur has from a purely marketing standpoint considered
throwing a drive-in in
there.
Ademan: from a purely marketing standpoint, have you ever considered
throwing a stylesheet on
there?
mircea_popescu: sorry sir, we here at internet house are proud
to say no joke.
Ademan: mircea_popescu: can you give me a full disclosure on
that statement? ;-)
mircea_popescu: this is why people invest on mpex rather
than fucking
themselves over on
the play-pretend "alternatives".
mircea_popescu: Ademan ya well, who's who in
the bitcoin scamspace is always an iffy proposition.
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell benkay well i can't explain why x
thing isn't y
thing. why do you
think it is in
the first place ?
Ademan: Well,
the bitcointalk
thread claims he's "Eric Corlew"
Ademan: Does anyone know what
the current status of bASIC-MINING is? As best I can
tell from
the bitcointalk
thread,
the operator is
totally MIA.
nubbins`: so literally just
the fact
that it's not a plain
text doc?
benkay: not objecting
to columns
nubbins`: that's why, y'know, newspapers and magazines and scientific journals use
them
nubbins`: anyway,
the document is in
two skinny columns because skinny columns are easier
to read.
nubbins`: if you contribute
to anything in any way it'll have been a surprise
to all
benkay: if i contribute
to
the demise of print in any way it'll have been a good day's work
benkay: well because scientists generally care about behavior at
the limit
benkay: "why didn't
this scientist realize i only read
things on my computer! (sic)"
nubbins`: seriously
though, keep it up. people will eventually come around
nubbins`: "why didn't
this scientist realize i only read
things on my computer!"
benkay: why subject it
to
this ammonia
benkay: it was perfectly acceptable chicken
to begin with
nubbins`: all i see is wailing
that something's not in your preferred form, like your chicken nuggets were cut up before mom put
them on your plate and now you won't eat
them
nubbins`: it was probably being sent
to a journal
to be published
nubbins`: creator of
the doc obv didn't give a fuck how it looked on a computer screen
benkay: you get neither information nor
technology
benkay: embedded in some fucking layer in
that monstrosity of a
transmission?
nubbins`: you're
trying
to generalize a specific case
benkay: information clearly
taking a backseat
to arbitrary presentation guidelines written by an obsolete industry.
benkay: the creator of
that pdf didn't give
two shits about any presentation beyond getting it printed and validated by
the american idiot community of "scientists"
nubbins`: if he intended
to make a shit-looking document, well,
too bad
nubbins`: the information is presented exactly how
the creator of
the pdf intended
benkay: the information is clearly
taking it up
the
tuchus in
the .pdf "format"
nubbins`: there are many, many occasions in
this world where it's important
that
the recipient of
the document be shown
the exact
thing
that
the sender intended
nubbins`: oh, whoops, you don't have
the right fonts or
they're drawn differently or your page margins are different, etc
benkay: at least
that preserves
the notion of a character stream
nubbins`: a pdf looks
the same on every system
benkay: now don't get me wrong,
they're important
benkay: you have
this amusing hangup on aesthetics
benkay: it's
this whole idea of ideas as opposed
to aesthetics
benkay: can i get
that info into my brain in a more pleasantly formatted way?
benkay: a
thing about which i give zero shits
nubbins`: there's no better way for me
to guarantee
that if i send you a document, it'll look exactly
the same
to you as it does
to me
benkay: leastaways i haven't
touched
this derpy shit since high school
mike_c: they created it like
that out of habit, not out of a
thought-out decision as
to what would be best
these days.
nubbins`: because
that's what pdf is for :(
nubbins`: and, in fact, had complete control over
the presentation of
the content