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decimation: re: model being horeshit: "Because, we know that with theoretical cherry picking someone can come up with a set of assumptions that produces a result that may logically follow from those assumptions, but if the assumptions really don'
t have much traction in the real world, that result really doesn'
t have much to say about what we are actually looking at. " << from my econtalk link above
mircea_popescu: you can'
t become prickly just because people are idiots. it's giving idiots too much say.
mircea_popescu: i can'
t read locklin without him annoying me. such a total schmoozeball.
ben_vulpes: also infected with "niceness" - don'
t talk shit on js! it's not nice!
moriarty: well, the US won'
t be affected by the embargo so much actually
bounce: the us not only has the most advanced toys anywhere, it relies on them being so. china wouldn'
t have to. big difference.
moriarty: "do this or we won'
t sell you cheap shit"
mircea_popescu: or maybe i don'
t well understand the structures of incentive, not living there
mircea_popescu: the ones it keeps you didn'
t want. much like africa forever, much like renaissance europe ec.
moriarty: didn'
t the 1800s also work because EU projected its dominance globally through colonialism?
xmj: decimation: see, democracy doesn'
t work that way.
xmj: moriarty: you cannot receive development, you don'
t deserve development, you develop and then you've earned it.
xmj: moriarty: "why didn'
t they?"
mircea_popescu: well, i didn'
t mean b-a-hood in the "it's sensible and it works" sense, i mearly meant it in the "rule the wrold" sense.
jurov: Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky This is a road that does not lead to Friendly AI, only to AGI. I doubt this has anything to do with Lenat's motives - but I'm glad the source code isn'
t published and I don'
t think you'd be doing a service to the human species by trying to reimplement it.
mircea_popescu: the chinese got there, but with thinking. their thinkers can'
t reproduce w/o the state. it proved ruinous but it is not yet abandoned.
mircea_popescu: the average idiot tasked with "making policy" and "framework" for absolutely no reason doesn'
t get this,
moriarty: mircea_popescu, it doesn'
t help that the metrics of a good academic is the number of publications, one that seems to be robust in the face of peer review, but take a peek behind the curtain only to unveil the editorial committee having ties to the same university, sigh
moriarty: mircea_popescu, yeah i don'
t care too much for academia, when i've realised the amount of crap coming from most institutions
moriarty: we know we shouldn'
t do it, but we do it anyway :) and if you can partition the market into the emotional plays, and the bot plays, you can then expect to tailor your response accordingly
moriarty: asciilifeform, and couldn'
t agree with it more :)
moriarty: asciilifeform, i see the points made there, make it high level enough that you don'
t need to get bogged down by the side-work in the midst of pursuing your main objectives
moriarty: but don'
t let me get your feathers ruffled :P
moriarty: i'm not for Prolog, so it doesn'
t matter to me
mircea_popescu: bounce it is a strange argument on the face, but perhaps the idea is such a hard problem can only be conveniently breached at this angle. much like satellites aren'
t launched from tiera del fuego
moriarty: asciilifeform, and they didn'
t inform you that hard AI was a largely abandoned endeavour
decimation: asciilifeform: in the end it doesn'
t matter if the gasenwagen is driven by robot/ai or communist bureaucrats
decimation: I don'
t distinguish much between the welfare recipient and the grant recipient
decimation: moriarty: didn'
t you perceive this as a problem, given your previous point about mixing crap with the good?
bounce: well, you know. formal education isn'
t always a panacea either. might just end up in a complete dead-end of "knowledge".
xmj: isn'
t that convenient.
xmj: and don'
t underestimate street smarts
moriarty: xmj, if you can'
t fend yourself against the traps of the powers that be, how do you hope to avoid buying a lemon when faced with a second-hand car dealer
xmj: moriarty: i'm completely retarded, didn'
t you notice.
moriarty: xmj, but you won'
t bite the bait if you had some modicum of intellect
moriarty: xmj, but i guess i shouldn'
t sound so condescending, when i am attempting some candor
decimation: mircea_popescu: then don'
t eat, if deemed shitty in the subjective opinion of the bureaucrat of the day
decimation: mircea_popescu: you can'
t, so you put it on display. your job: wash the sidewalk
xmj: not too cheap, they shouldn'
t be allowed to save too much.
moriarty: decimation, but you've taken a ironic stance there, you can'
t be enslaved to the state and at the same time hold the state hostage with riot threats
decimation: it doesn'
t take much creativity to imagine ways in which you could employ people such that they are neither a burden to civilized society nor have enough energy to riot
moriarty: mircea_popescu, you have to appeal to their emotional side :) and the flip side of that is, you don'
t even have to spend a dime
bounce: you don'
t like grass? so you're not a cow then.
moriarty: decimation, well, unfortunately as someone who is partial to the ancap way of looking at things, i don'
t identify with the reframing of couch-sitters as slaves of the state, i see them as enslaving the state though
mircea_popescu: it's incredible how broken other irc channels seem to me. "where's the logs ?" "we don'
t have logs because reasons and we're primitive idiots" "so i guess i don'
t even need to ask about gribble or wot then huh."
xmj: "The problem is that the modern woman is a prostitute who doesn'
t deliver the goods. Teasers are never pleasers; they greedily accept presents to seal a contract and then break it."
xmj: What I hate are meaningless and heartless one-night stands where you tell all sorts of lies to get into bed with a woman you don'
t care for.
moriarty: xmj, i didn'
t read it back in 2004, i found it recently when i was hyperlinking around :)
decimation: on the pain of offending the almighty future-ai-god, I claim that he won'
t exist
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron generally people don'
t know what the things they claim to want imply.
danielpbarron: most of the ancaps I encounter seem to lean more towards the socialist side than they'd like to admit -- what with all their "fairness for all" mantra, as if unrestrained capitalism won'
t deal a crushing blow to the dregs of society
moriarty: mircea_popescu, well that's why all politicians are liars, in order to be a man of the people, you have to ascribe to philosophies you don'
t truly believe in to win them over, just so you can fuck them over later on, to protect your class, your clan and family
mircea_popescu: it's just that the parent may not whine as audibly as the child. but you can'
t rule by whining
mircea_popescu: nature doesn'
t come with a "you took that path and a lion ate you, would you like to retry yes/no/cancel"
moriarty: if you take a highly subscribed course but you are not cream of the crop, then you are assigned a less serious university, and you may harbour fantasies of serendipity working in your favour come working world time, but that wouldn'
t logically happen
mircea_popescu: maybe. but if the kids can'
t read, shoot the teachers.
mircea_popescu: moriarty this is a nice theory anyone would subscribe to. both those who will and those who won'
t. after which, disaster of commons.
bounce: so, a government that takes in taxes but does not give handouts isn'
t a welfare state?
moriarty: it's hard to be free market, when the party dictates who lives and who doesn'
t :P
moriarty: xmj, i don'
t take it too literally, anything taken in its pure definition does not exist in reality, there are no socialist or capitalist society today
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've done a sybil on localbitcoins though :) just so i don'
t get pinned down as the guy with shitloads of bitcoin
moriarty: xmj, no, i don'
t tend to look at myself dichotomously, i'm an assembly of aspects from both sides of the political and socioeconomical spectrum, left and right as they conveniently classify it
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t exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: currency can survive about five minutes with a dead usg << more complicated. reichsmark outlived reich by a few years (until occupying armies got their shit together) << didn'
t roman coinage remain in some limited use into the middle ages because of lack of alternative?
mircea_popescu: i can'
t read him, it's like going to a museum of children "artwork"
mircea_popescu: i don'
t think the conversation is worth keeping up with.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, i don'
t particularly favour new stuff. what exactly is ever new.
mircea_popescu: moriarty possibly because you didn'
t make a fortune large enough :)
mircea_popescu: moriarty yeah he's the guy who spent 2012 insisting bitcoin can'
t survive, then started a bitcoin kiler of his own which we kiled
bounce: doesn'
t appear to've held up to the ages though.
moriarty: but very nice article nevertheless, i haven'
t read something interesting in awhile :)
mircea_popescu: you can'
t possibly allow change on the grounds of marketplace success like that.
mircea_popescu: well yes you know ? suppose zig ziglar sells a lot of books, and starts his own university, where he teaches kids words like "fail" don'
t exist.
mircea_popescu: meh apparently #b4056df6691f8dc72e56302ddad345d65fead3ead9299609a826e2344eb63aa4 can'
t be a channel name.
Vexual: aren;
t you moving cazalla?